Re: Technotrend Budget S2-3200 Digital artefacts on HDchannels

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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Manu Abraham <abraham.manu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Alex Betis wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Manu Abraham <abraham.manu@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> Alex Betis wrote:
>>>> It won't. All you will manage to do is burn your demodulator, if you
>> happen
>>>> to
>>>> be that lucky one, with that change. At least a few people have burned
>>>> demodulators by now, from what i do see.
>>> What are the symptoms of burned demodulator? How can someone know if its
>>> still ok?
>> The first time i saw it was that the DVB-S2 demod was returning no
>> carrier. After some time it was stating timing error for DVB-S as
>> well. Finally it all ended up with demodulator I2C ACK failure, and
>> eventually a frozen machine after a week (my test boxes run throughout)
>> Touching the demodulator, i happened to have almost a burned finger.
>> I wanted to know whether this was a single case. During the
>> development phase, i did mention it to Julian about this, since he
>> was the very first person to test for the stb0899 driver. He
>> jovially laughed about a burned demodulator and a finger, left his
>> machine on after i did some tests on it. Eventually he too had the
>> same results. Finally we changed cards.
> What frequency did you use to burn it?

It was a long time back, don't remember. It has nothing to do with
the frequency of the transponder, but just the master clock. You can
run it to a maximum of 108Mhz overclocked, 99Mhz to be safe and

> I didn't see anyone here on the list that reported a hardware failure so
> far.

May god help you. I didn't know that you knew more than the
demodulator manufacturer !
Please speak for yourself, I never said I know more than a manufacturer.
I wrote a fact.
Intel also rate their chips and everybody overclocks them to crazy ratings.

> By the way, Igor returned the chip frequency for 27.5 channels to 99MHz and
> raised it a bit for higher SR channels, so there is no danger for majority
> of the users.

Ok, be happy with his change and keep quiet. 135Mhz is out of bounds
of the hardware specification. You are on your own. Raising the
master clock, doesn't bring you any advantage.
Did someone overclock you as well?
Chill out!
It would be better if you'll be more productive instead of quieting people who try to help.

Again, I'm commenting facts. As I saw from the reports the overclock seems to help with the problem.

>From your statement (and the patch), it is clearly evident that you
don't understand head or tail what you are stating or patched the
code for:
So be so kind, and add comments to the code you write so everybody could find its head and tail when trying to fix bugs.
It is clearly evident that you don't really want that someone else will understand your code.
Again, facts are that the patch help and make the device more stable for DVB-S channels.

Oh well, I hate that I had to get so low with my message, but that's that happen when someone try to align with your expressions.
In case you didn't know, you're not alone in the universe, get used to it.

For a lower sampling frequency (aka Symbol rate), you need a higher
clock and or higher time period. For higher sampling rates (Symbol
Rates) the the master clock has to be decimated to  avoid overflows

This implies the patch to increase the master clock for acquisition
at a higher symbol rate was utter nonsense only.

All i have is to say:

Alas !

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