On Mon, Sep 17, 2007, Steven Toth wrote: > Johannes Stezenbach wrote: >> >> But after all the discussions, and you and Steve have written >> drivers which I hope prove the API as working, why do you >> still think it is experimental? What would it take to make >> it non-experimental? > > My take on the patches is this: > > It's experimental. > > However, it's been experimental for about a year and it's not getting > traction, I've said this before on the ML - it needs to be driven. I've > been pinging Manu recently to put up a tree on linuxtv.org/hg, merged with > the latest v4l-dvb tree so people like myself can start testing, breaking > and patching the tree. > > No tree = no testers = no discussion = no review = no merge = no support in > Linux. > > I want to help start the ball rolling. Great, sounds like a good plan. >> I wish you'd just stop with all those private discussions and instead >> keep it on the list all the time. That way everyone would have all >> the relevant information, which is one of the key points of doing >> Open Source development: spreading not just the code but also the >> knowledge about the technology. mrec isn't completely wrong when he says >> that this list gives the appearance of a closed, elitist circle where >> everything interesting happens in backrooms. > > That's a little harsh Johannes. :) But I mean it. I used clear words so everyone would get it. > I contacted Manu privately and offered to help him with the patch. Why? > Because whenever I've tried to debate or encourage this via the ML it's > gone nowhere. The ML is only useful to a point, then it's meaningless and > 1-to-1 communication is required. Fair enough. The story behind this is that I had been Cc'd out of the blue in a private discussion about this (even after I told Manu serveral times that I don't want to participate in private technical discussions), and had I not pushed for taking it to the list then a new tree would have appeared on linuxtv, leaving many people oblivious to it's purpose and the story behind it's creation. It's very simple: If you want to work like that, then just leave me out of it. There is no need to get me involved. Johannes _______________________________________________ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
