On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 11:41:23AM +0100, Köry Maincent wrote: > On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 09:17:48 +0100 > Oleksij Rempel <o.rempel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 06:41:54PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote: > > > > Alternative A and B Overview > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > > > - **Alternative A:** Utilizes the data-carrying pairs for power > > > > transmission in 10/100BaseT networks. The power delivery's polarity in > > > > this alternative can vary based on the MDI (Medium Dependent Interface) > > > > or MDI-X (Medium Dependent Interface Crossover) configuration. > > > > > > > > - **Alternative B:** Delivers power over the spare pairs not used for > > > > data in 10/100BaseT networks. Unlike Alternative A, Alternative B's > > > > method separates power from data lines within the cable. Though it is > > > > less influenced by data transmission direction, Alternative B includes > > > > two configurations with different polarities, known as variant X and > > > > variant S, to accommodate different network requirements and device > > > > specifications. > > > > > > Thanks for this documentation. > > > > > > It might be worth pointing out that RJ-45 supports up to 4 > > > pairs. However, 10/100BaseT only makes use of two pairs for data > > > transfer from the four. 1000BaseT and above make use of all four pairs > > > for data transfer. If you don't know this, it is not so obvious what > > > 'data-carrying pairs' and 'spare pairs' mean. > > > > @Kory, can you please update it. > > > > > And what happens for 1000BaseT when all four pairs are in use? > > > > Hm.. good question. I didn't found the answer in the spec. By combining all ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > puzzle parts I assume, different Alternative configurations are designed ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > to handle conflict between "PSE Physical Layer classification" and PHY > > autoneg. > > Oleksij how did you get the definition of Alternative A uses the "data-carrying" > pairs for power transmission and Alternative B Delivers power over the "spare > pairs"? > > On my understanding of the 2022 standard the definition is: > - Alternative A is for pinout conductors 1, 2, 3 and 6 > - Alternative B is for pinout conductors 4, 5, 7, 8. > > Then indeed if we are in 10/100BaseT Alternative A are "data-carrying > pairs" and Alternative B are "spare pairs" but that's not the case on > 1000BaseT. > > You can see it in the figures in the paragraph 145.2.3. Please, re-read my answer :) Autoneg for 1000Mbit is not done on all 4 pairs. The only MDI/-X dependent transfer processes only on one pair is autoneg. Every thing else is extrapolated out of it. -- Pengutronix e.K. | | Steuerwalder Str. 21 | http://www.pengutronix.de/ | 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0 | Amtsgericht Hildesheim, HRA 2686 | Fax: +49-5121-206917-5555 |