Between the repeated calls to see a clone of Ableton on Linux, machismo arguments about the finer points of DSP theory, and the overzealous ego stroking of "I wanna sound like my favorite band, but I don't play well enough..." amateur musicians - what purpose does this list serve? Shouldn't this be a place to explore serious Linux-related musical topics that look to the wealth of unique and versatile Linux-based tools... How best to incorporate "live" web resources in a GNU/Linux powered installation? What "AI" tools are available to aid in the design of an intelligent improvising partner? Which application/design solutions work best for interactive sound design? What's the future of ambisonic audio looking/sounding like? Casually glancing over the Linux Audio Conference schedule provides numerous interesting thread topics: Livecoding with SuperCollider, Music Composition through Spectral Modeling Synthesis and Pure Data, Interfacing Pure Data with Faust, Python for Sound Manipulation, Stereo, Multichannel and Binaural Sound Spatialization in Pure-Data, A Tetrahedral Microphone Processor for Ambisonic Recording, Visual prototyping of audio applications (CLAM), and the list goes on and on... "When will someone produce a chart-topping hit with Ardour" is _not_ a serious or productive topic and has _nothing_ to do with the reality of the industry. If you wanna learn how squeeze more "thump" outta your woofers or get more "pop" from your tweeters, why not visit a relevant forum - there are many to choose from... I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but I'd like to see a show of hands - how many of you are lurking on this list with the faint hope that some tiny (but usefull) bit of information might just drop from the sky? Despite my sarcastic tone, these comments are not meant to be destructive. I hope they might be a wake up call to a community that deserves better. Bombs away... G