I might add, we could create musicstream logos that have a $ sign (pay to download, don't share), a 'please donate' sign (a basket or hat, maybe), and a completely free (you are not expected to donate sign). Maybe the creative commons people would even be interested in doing some integration. Carotinho: I would use a seperate logo and campaign to advocate linux audio as cool... Which would somehow have to show that linux and geekiness is cool (we should use SEX for that... ;) for people who don't really know what it is (okay we'll have to assume people either know what sex is or know what linux is). And, mystically transfer a litte philosophy so the tech buffs can small talk 'logoed' people better... not to mention score more :) I always found scoring more important than looking cool to peers, although the two do share common ground. Carlo