David, you had me all the way up to this point: >And argue with people like Paul Davis on *this very subject* is bound >to failure, if not rude. I'm sorry, but I just can't go along with this concept that some people are off limits to argument, debate, disagreement, criticism or questioning. Perhaps there's some male heirarchical conditioning behind such a notion, but I can't accept it. If it was not 'rude' or 'disrespectful' to argue with or insult me, then it is not rude to argue with Paul, or anyone else on this list. As far as I am concerned, every single person on this list is an intelligent, accomplished person in their own right, in their own fields of endeavor, and deserving of equal respect - and equal scrutiny. I also think everyone here is making useful contributions in their own way to this community. It has not escaped my notice that certain individuals in this community are talked to, and about, with what borders almost on reverence and awe (sounding religious again ;) ) - and it makes me squirrelly, and rather embarassed. However much I may admire and respect someone, I cannot put them up on a pedestal - it's just not in my nature. I have had occasion in my life to interact with people who are considered powerful and famous or highly accomplished and influential in their fields, and I haven't felt toward or treated them any differently than I do anyone else. (And it has been my feeling that they have preferred it that way.) There are many people whom I do not respect, but that has to do with their character and conduct - not their rank or station in life, or level of achievement in their respective field. I am not a respector of class or station or worldly accomplishment - I respect people for what they are inside and how they treat others. If part of the community consensus here is that certain people are above others - for whatever reason - and that they are beyond questioning, I can no more fit in here than I did in academia. I hope that that is not really the case. [Sorry for the rant, but that definitely pushed one of my buttons.] >Anyway, I wish you to keep having a good time making or listening to >music, through whatever device pleases you the most. Well thank you very much - I will, and best wishes to you as well. :) ( And I respect your poise and graciousness in this awkward discussion.) - Maluvia