On Mon, 04 Jul, 2005 at 08:36AM -0600, Steve D spake thus: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 09:02:38AM +0100, james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > > [...] That, and I > > can't separate making music and producing music. To me, "over > > produced" is like saying "over musical". Which is nonsense. > > > To me, any creative act or exercise is like the attempted realization of > an ideal of some sort. The conceptual ideal must exist first. In the > attempt to realize or materialize that ideal, there often can be reached > a point at which further effort can make the product less rather than > more an embodiment of the ideal. > > Any good artist needs to know when to stop fiddling and fussing with his > or her work (at least for a time), or risk marring it with overwork. ;-) > That's what I personally meant by "overproduction." > > > > Anyway. I loved the track, but the sounds grate a little. > > > > Just a thought though - how old are you (Steve)? > > > I'm old James: 53 this year. Regarding the sounds in that Lonesome > Butte piece being "grating," maybe I'm losing some of my hearing in some > frequency ranges. Do the sounds have too much a sharp high-frequency > edge? No, nothing like that. Don't take this the wrong way but it sounds like the supermarket midi rendition of a great track. It's still great, but the sounds are just too cheesy. Then again, you did say you were after that kind of sounds, so I suppose it's a success. > > > It could be a generational thing - I'm 26 and I've listened to > > overproduced music all my life. Most of the kind of music I listen to > > seems to have over production built in from the outset. Although I > > wouldn't call it over production - I'd just say it's making what would > > traditionally be called production into just another musical device. > > > That seems like a valid viewpoint. Production as a creative activity. > ;-) > > -sd -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)