On Mon, 04 Jul, 2005 at 11:10AM +0100, tim hall spake thus: > Last Monday 04 July 2005 09:02, james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx was like: > > On Sun, 03 Jul, 2005 at 10:49AM +0100, tim hall spake thus: > > > Last Saturday 02 July 2005 16:41, Thorsten Wilms was like: > > > > Personaly, I don't see the choice of patches/sounds as part of > > > > the production ... or rather it's inbetween composition/generation > > > > and production. > > > > > > I believe it's called 'arrangement'. > > > > I've never been able to work like that. ?I know that's the way it > > should be done, with steps and definable phases, but I just have to do > > everything at once. > > Defining phases of writing, arrangement, production, recording, mixing, > mastering doesn't tie us to a way of working as mostly solo artists working > on our own, it's easy to blur these distinctions. I think it is useful to > ground the meanings of these terms for the purposes of analysing our results > and suggesting improvements. > > > I can't just drop something in and then work on it later - everything > > about the drums, say, has to be done as I'm doing it. ?So, that > > includes selecting drums, getting them into the rhythm I want, > > compressing them, getting any effects I want on them all or individual > > drums and eq'ing it all. ?Often I do this at the same time I do the > > bass, with all of the twiddling needed there, too. > > > > It might just be because I have a bad memory - I'd forget what the > > hell I wanted to do with things if I left it for later. ?That, and I > > can't separate making music and producing music. ?To me, "over > > produced" is like saying "over musical". ?Which is nonsense. > > I have to disagree with that last statement. To me over-produced is > over-processed. It doesn't sound like you suffer from this problem. I am all > too familiar with watching a song die in the studio due to it having been > rehearsed to death before we began, then the writer decides to change an > important part of the arrangement five minutes before the red light goes on. > Then the engineer decides to compress the life out of the bass, drums and > vocals. By the time the keyboard player has done the 43rd Hammond take, the > band has lost interest. All the vocals go down flat because the producer is > obsessive about matching vowel sounds and timing, using extreme editing and > pitch correction, where none was needed. This style of arranging/production > frequently fails to come up with a final mix as there is always something to > fix or add, basically because you didn't get it right the first time. I suppose this is where professionals like yourself and amateurs like me differ. Sine I do everything myself, I do it all at once. In fact, it would drive me bonkers trying to work any other way. I think production has a different meaning when you have no producer ;) > Oops, does my stuff look big in this? Huge. Try vertical stripes. > > tim hall > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk > > -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
