On Monday 13 September 2004 12:20 pm, R Parker wrote: > Hi Eric, > > --- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki <rzewnickie@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 09:18:21AM -0700, Russell > > > > Hanaghan wrote: > > > On Sunday 12 September 2004 05:24 am, R Parker > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Russell, > > > > > > The item about Ardour you mention concerns > > > > me...primarily because I don't wish > > > > > to violate any of these type of rules / laws/ > > > > policies; Is that really > > > > > applicable here? My intent is to describe how I > > > > personally used this > > > > > application to create an Effects box...NOt "how > > > > one should use Ardour in the > > > > > intended, technically correct manner intended by > > > > the Author(s)." But again, I > > > > > do not wish to piss anyone off here...that would > > > > be kinda counter > > > > > productive! :) Perhaps Paul can offer his > > > > thoughts?? > > > > > > As I understand it, Paul has been working on Ardour > > more than full time > > for at least the past 4+ years ... > > *on_his_own_funding*! Along the way > > he has made huge contributions to the linux audio > > code base in the form > > of extensive work on jackd, alsa drivers and various > > libraries. Not to > > mention the fact that his participation in the > > community as a very > > experienced and knowledgable programmer increases > > everyone's knowledge > > base. > > Exactly! He's made a significant contribution and that > makes it very easy to understand his wish to control > the documentation for Ardour. > > Perhaps one way to do > > > this would be to > > write up docs on my use case, not publish it myself, > > Not publishing them ourselves is important. You > obviously appreciate his position. > > > but instead give it > > to him to include in his docs as an example to put > > in the appendix or > > something. Maybe you could do the same with your > > section on your use of > > ardour. I'm not sure if Paul would accept it, but it > > can't hurt to offer > > it to him. > > It might save you some work to ask him before you > write anything. > > Before jackd was written, I had outlined and written > many chapters for a book titled Professional Audio in > Linux (PAIL). The book was designed around Ardour and > I put a great deal of time and effort into the > project. Before I could publish, Paul asked that > nobody document Ardour. For various reasons it didn't > bother me at all to have my efforts nullified; 1. > Ardour is not my project, 2. I didn't have to finish > this big assed book and could refocus my attention on > using Ardour. > > I don't mean to speak for Paul Davis or anyone else. > Especially when what I'm saying could discourage > someone from making an appreciable contribution. I'm > just trying to relay the message. > > > Anyway, the point is that your attitude of trying to > > offer something > > back to the community is a good one. We users who > > are willing to do this > > just have to find the ways of helping that fit the > > needs of the > > developers and other users. > > > > You've inspired me to get my butt back in gear and > > do more to help than > > I have been. > > > > > The "effects box" idea is a greater attractant > > Russell, I'm curious why you choose to use Ardour > rather than Jack Rack for routing audio to effects. It > seems to me that Jack Rack might be a better choice > because it's designed to do what you need. > > I imagine there's more than one way to control levels > into or from Jack Rack and there would be a way to > create sends. Maybe I don't know exactly what you're > doing. > > ron It's late and it's been a hard day at the salt mine. :) Basically, the midi control I use from my old Digitech pedal to turn various fx on and off and the greater flexibilty of Ardour's routing capabilities. Stereo masters and what not. Also if I wish to record live material, I'm right in the application I need to do that as well. I was using Alsa Modular synth for awhile. It had much more flexible midi control options...just got to a point where Ardour had become my staple application. I have stated many times before that this is a _gross_ under use of Ardour...but it sure looks purdy and impresses the crap out of the many curious musicians that ask "whut dus dat do??". > > > IMHO because there are a great > > > > > many musco's that have had some time messing on a > > > > PC in some form or > > > > > other...but unless they had the big bux...the > > > > performance was not that great. > > > > > They probably did not persist too much... > > > Someone around here had made the statement that > > > > "Turn that old 486 into a > > > > > reverb 'cause it aint good for nothin > > > > else!"...this is a valid concept in > > > > > Linux...AND doable on a 486! It is beyond > > > > capabilty and sense of reason in > > > > > Winblows! Can't even run XP or 2000 on 486 much > > > > less DAW software that uses > > > > > RT DSP. If they learn how to do the fx thing, the > > > > recording / messing / > > > > > experimenting thing will come naturally and they > > > > will have the hard work > > > > > done. > > > > On this note, I have 25Mhz 486 w/12MB of RAM that > > has served as my > > firewall/router for 4.5 years. It's soon to be > > replaced by a shinier, > > newer, faster classic pentium 200MHz w/64MB of RAM. > > Last night I was > > thinking of how to keep it useful. I came up with > > the idea of writing > > some script that generates some kind of audio in > > realtime continuously > > to be streamed over the net. I'm thinking of trying > > to get it to boot > > over the network from an image on my file server and > > run in ram ... or > > maybe an NFS or other share. > > > > This should probably go in another thread, but does > > anyone know what to > > shoot for? How much realtime dsp can a box like this > > reasonably handle? > > Could it run hermes from a python ECI script with > > ecasound controllers > > controlling the parameters? > > > > Anyway, this is an interesting thread. Thanks > > everyone. > > > > -Eric Rz. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
