Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > On Fri, 2018-07-20 at 00:25 +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Linux-audio-user is not a developer list, and it is an open list >> according to its list page > > Correct! > >> https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user which means that >> posters to it are not necessarily subscribed. > > Incorrect! Since it's not an open mailing list, you need to be > subscribed. Sigh. Do you even read what you are replying to? According to the list page, this is an open list. The list page states: > Using Linux-audio-user > To post a message to all the list members, send email to linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. I will not rule out that unsubscribed members are automoderated and nobody actually ever moderates. But at least formally, this is an open list. >> I don't "break mailing list headers". I use "Reply to All" in order >> to reply to all. The alternative would be "Reply", replying to just >> you. Other options would be more esoteric. > > No there is the option to reply to a mailing list only. If your MUA > doesn't support it, do it manually. If you wish people to reply to mails of yours in a particular manner, set the Reply-To: header for mails to that mailing list. >> The mail I replied to had the following headers regarding routing: >> >> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> That's it. No "Mail-Reply-To:", no "List-Reply-To:", no "Reply-To:". >> The mailing list itself was in the "Sender:" header, but it's not normal >> to reply to that. >> >> > Plese reply to the mailing list only. >> >> Look, you set your mailing list options _exactly_ to "avoid duplicates" >> in order _not_ to receive duplicate mails. Now you complain that you >> don't receive mails sent via the mailing list. > > I receive emails from mailman mailing lists, if they are send to the > mailing list only! > >> At some point of time, you need to decide yourself. > > Yes, one mail only, from the mailing list only! Then set up your Reply-To: header appropriately when mailing to the mailing list. >> The way the mailing list is set up to operate, the options for replying >> with standard mail clients are either _only_ to the author of a mail, or >> to "all" which includes Cc: and To: fields. >> >> If you want everybody answering you on the list to use his mail client >> in non-standard manners specifically for replying to you, you have an >> upstream battle before you. Alternatively, try convincing the list >> owners to set up the mailing list headers differently in order to have >> them match your idea of "netiquette". That would likely involve setting >> at least a "List-Reply-To:" header (which is sort of the strongest >> standard hint) or a "Reply-To:" header which usually is frowned upon. > > When using Evolution, a reply to all could invoke a reply to the mailing > list only. Which is _exactly_ what you want. > I'm using both kinds of MUAs, those that invoke a reply to the mailing > list only by reply and those who do that by reply to all. Both have > got pitfalls when using it for different kind of mailing löist > settings and different mailing list approaches, however, regarding the > duplicated mail issue, that e.g. makes filtering by mailing list > impossible, even if I would receive both mails, just one could be > filtered. What kind of mail client is unable to recognize a mail belongs to a certain mailing list when the mailing list is in the Cc: field? I am _not_ talking about multiple replies, one to list-only, one to sender-only. Those are annoying as hell because when you don't notice, you end up replying to the sender-only reply, ending up not sending anything to the list. What we are talking about here is a Reply-All where the mailing list, as the original To: header entry, gets placed in Cc: . >> Naturally, you can yourself set a "Reply-To: >> linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" header when posting to the list in >> order to express your desire _never_ to receive personal replies. Or a >> "List-Reply-To:" header for expressing your desire to not receive copies >> for replies to the list. > > This comes with pitfalls, lists could have different settings. You just said that you use a mail client to sort mails according to the list they belong to. So set your header preferences according to the list you send to. > You are simply not doing the right thing. > >> Since at the current point of time, the mailing list apparently is set >> up _not_ to tamper with those headers, they are free for you to >> customize in order to have the default behavior of replies to the list >> match your preferences even without requiring every single one of your >> correspondants to hand-edit headers just for placating you. >> >> In general, it will be a lot easier to teach your preferences to your >> mail client than every single person on the mailing list. > > You are doing it wrong! References? -- David Kastrup _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
