Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > If pid is negative then getvpid() returns pid of parent task for -pid. Now that I am noticing this. I don't think I have seen any discussion about justifying a syscall getting another processes parent pid. My apologies if I just missed it. Why do we want the the parent pid? We can we usefully do with it? Is proc really that bad of an interface? Fetching a parent pid feels like a separate logical operation from pid translation. Which makes me a bit uneasy about this part of the conversation. > Examples: > getvpid(pid, ns, -1) - get pid in our pid namespace > getvpid(pid, -1, ns) - get pid in container > getvpid(pid, -1, ns) > 0 - is pid is reachable from container? > getvpid(1, ns1, ns2) > 0 - is ns1 inside ns2? > getvpid(1, ns1, ns2) == 0 - is ns1 outside ns2? > getvpid(1, ns, -1) - get init task of pid-namespace > getvpid(-1, ns, -1) - get reaper of init task in parent pid-namespace > getvpid(-pid, -1, -1) - get ppid by pid As I step back and pay attention to this case I am half wondering if perhaps what would be most useful is a file descriptor that refers to a pid and an updated set of system calls that takes pid file descriptors instead of pids. Something like: getpidfd(int pidnsfd, pid_t pid); waitfd(int pidfd, int *status, int options, struct rusage *rusage); killfd(int pidfd, int sig); clonefd(...); And perhaps: pid_nr_ns(int pidnsfd, int pidfd); parentfd(int pidfd); Eric -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-api" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html