Another advantage of having a separate /home partition is that you can install multiple Linux distros on the same drive and share the home directory. You will then be able to use the old one until you get all the bugs worked out of the new one. Also , if it works don't fix it! The long term support version will still be there when the old one is no longer acceptable and there is a good chance the new version will have the problems fixed by then. On 9/7/12, Marvin Stodolsky <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Send the List your /etc/wvdialconf file, > replacing LoginName and Password with xxxxxx and yyyyyy > It would be helpful if you could attache the log of a modem session > under a Microsoft login. > > Please send to the List > > MarvS > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:11 AM, fts lnx <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Hello Marv, >> >> Hope you had a most enjoyable stay in Alaska. At least you had the >> magnificent cool weather their. Although I can connect with the modem, >> the >> diemon dies due to the password error 19. I can not figure out why. does >> the same with 'wvdial' also. Hope you can help, thank. >> >> >> fts lnx >> fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012, at 09:06 PM, Marvin Stodolsky wrote: >> >> Gmome PPP is only a graphical front end to wvdial, but uses a different >> config file. We do not recommond it, is less informative than wvdial >> itself >> >> Please send to the List. For 10 days I am trvaling in Alaska and rarely >> online. >> >> MS >> >> On Aug 11, 2012 7:57 PM, "fts lnx" <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Marv, >> >> I have returned from from my east coast trip wedding. Just a member of >> the family. I glad to be back but hate this lingering hot weather of >> over 95 degrees. Anyway, I have started to re-visit our last email. I >> did some searching in the mean time and came across the 'gnome ppp' . >> I also found some of other infor. pertaining to configuring this >> robotics modem. I followed the instructions and got it to connect to >> the modem using sudo wvdial. However, it seems to take a while >> connecting to the carrier. I also get a error code 19 and it says the >> followintg: Password: >> --> Looks like a password prompt. >> --> Sending: (password) >> Request Denied >> Username:/login:/Login: >> --> Looks like a login prompt. >> --> Sending: fitsw >> --> Don't know what to do! Starting pppd and hoping for the best. >> --> Starting pppd at Sat Aug 11 21:30:36 2012 >> --> Pid of pppd: 3120 >> --> Using interface ppp0 >> --> pppd: (�[1c][08]@�[1c][08] >> --> pppd: (�[1c][08]@�[1c][08] >> --> pppd: (�[1c][08]@�[1c][08] >> --> pppd: (�[1c][08]@�[1c][08] >> --> pppd: (�[1c][08]@�[1c][08] >> Disconnecting at Sat Aug 11 21:30:40 2012 >> --> The PPP daemon has died: Authentication error. >> --> We failed to authenticate ourselves to the peer. >> --> Maybe bad account or password? (exit code = 19) >> --> man pppd explains pppd error codes in more detail. >> --> I guess that's it for now, exiting >> --> The PPP daemon has died. (exit code = 19) >> mon died. Any idea why this is happening. I did double check the >> wvdial data and found no visalbe mistakes in the file. >> fts lnx >> fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012, at 07:11 PM, Marvin Stodolsky wrote: >>> FTS >>> >>> OK. Now you have the correct headers installed. >>> But to do the compile the dgcmodem drivers, you must first choose to >>> boot under that older/previous >>> 2.6.38-13 kernel (or its 2.6.38-13-generic-pae variant). >>> The compile should work for you under that older version boot. >>> >>> MarvS >>> >>> PS- Choosing a boot kernel is like choosing an auto engine. >>> You can only use one at a time. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:03 PM, fts lnx <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> > Marv, >>> > That is just what I did. I used one of the many 2.6.38 >>> > (linux-headers-2.6.38-13_2.6.38-13.57_all.deb) ... >>> >> > Unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.38-13 ... >>> >> > Setting up linux-headers-2.6.38-13 (2.6.38-13.57) ...) >>> > as well as 2.6.8 grub boot to compile all. I Know you are saying the >>> > right way, but pin point instruct how I do it, if what I did was >>> > incorrect. I will be away from my home for 3 weeks from today. I will >>> > be >>> > checking my mail though. Thanks, and as they say "onward die-hard >>> > soliders" will eventually win the battle via the Kernel/headers. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > fts lnx >>> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 02:07 PM, Marvin Stodolsky wrote: >>> >> RE: no pre-built for ubuntu ver 12.04 >>> >> You MUST do the compile under the 2.6.38 boot, as we know it fails >>> >> under the 12.04 kernel. >>> >> >>> >> M >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:34 PM, fts lnx <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >> > MARV, >>> >> > Try again with the one of your recommended Headers. I did not get >>> >> > any >>> >> > other errors, except "no pre-built for ubuntu ver 12.04. is this a >>> >> > improvement or other problem associated by using the old version of >>> >> > ubuntu for testing (which is broken/bad anyway} an many of its >>> >> > functions >>> >> > are inoperable as I have mentioned?) Here is the terminal output. >>> >> > >>> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ dir >>> >> > dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb >>> >> > dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip >>> >> > GNUstep >>> >> > LICENSE >>> >> > linux-headers-2.6.38-13_2.6.38-13.57_all.deb >>> >> > Thunderbird_v11tar >>> >> > VGA_quick_installation_guide(ML00112-R0)_634141074586133750.zip >>> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i linux*.deb >>> >> > [sudo] password for fff: >>> >> > (Reading database ... 366318 files and directories currently >>> >> > installed.) >>> >> > Preparing to replace linux-headers-2.6.38-13 2.6.38-13.57 (using >>> >> > linux-headers-2.6.38-13_2.6.38-13.57_all.deb) ... >>> >> > Unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.38-13 ... >>> >> > Setting up linux-headers-2.6.38-13 (2.6.38-13.57) ... >>> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ unzip dgcmodem*.zip >>> >> > Archive: dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip >>> >> > replace dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb? [y]es, >>> >> > [n]o, >>> >> > [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: y >>> >> > inflating: dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb >>> >> > replace LICENSE? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: y >>> >> > inflating: LICENSE >>> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i dgcmodem*.deb >>> >> > (Reading database ... 366318 files and directories currently >>> >> > installed.) >>> >> > Preparing to replace dgcmodem 1.13-k2.6.28-13-server-1.ubuntu >>> >> > (using >>> >> > dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb) ... >>> >> > Unpacking replacement dgcmodem ... >>> >> > Setting up dgcmodem (1.13-k2.6.28-13-server-1.ubuntu) ... >>> >> > Conexant DGC USB modem driver, version 1.13 >>> >> > >>> >> > If you need assistance or more information, please go to: >>> >> > http://www.linuxant.com/ >>> >> > >>> >> > When reporting a problem for the first time, please send >>> >> > us the file generated by "dgcconfig --dumpdiag". >>> >> > >>> >> > No pre-built modules for: Ubuntu-12.04 linux-2.6.38-13-generic >>> >> > i686-SMP >>> >> > >>> >> > Please obtain the appropriate variant of this package for your >>> >> > system >>> >> > or try the generic DEB or tar version. >>> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ dir >>> >> > dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb >>> >> > dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip >>> >> > GNUstep >>> >> > LICENSE >>> >> > linux-headers-2.6.38-13_2.6.38-13.57_all.deb >>> >> > Thunderbird_v11tar >>> >> > VGA_quick_installation_guide(ML00112-R0)_634141074586133750.zip >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > fts lnx >>> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012, at 09:41 AM, Marvin Stodolsky wrote: >>> >> >> Re> I could not find the 2.6.38-13.57-all.deb. If is here >>> >> >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/linux-headers-2.6.38-13 >>> >> >> >>> >> >> there must first be installed 11.04 triplet like: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/linux-headers-2.6.38-13 >>> >> >> >>> >> >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/devel/linux-headers-2.6.38-13-generic-pae >>> >> >> >>> >> >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/devel/linux-image-2.6.38-13-generic-pae >>> >> >> ----- >>> >> >> before the modem istall can work. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> MarvS >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:19 AM, fts lnx <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> > tried again with the header and Dgc. Was not successful though. >>> >> >> > Since >>> >> >> > the editors in this vers. do not work at all, >>> >> >> > I here is my cut/paste to email. Had to use a different header, >>> >> >> > since >>> >> >> > I could not find the 2.6.38-13.57-all.deb. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ dir >>> >> >> > dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip >>> >> >> > GNUstep >>> >> >> > linux-headers-386_2.6.32.41.48_i386.deb >>> >> >> > Thunderbird_v11tar >>> >> >> > VGA_quick_installation_guide(ML00112-R0)_634141074586133750.zip >>> >> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i linux*.deb >>> >> >> > [sudo] password for fff: >>> >> >> > Selecting previously unselected package linux-headers-386. >>> >> >> > (Reading database ... 366331 files and directories currently >>> >> >> > installed.) >>> >> >> > Unpacking linux-headers-386 (from >>> >> >> > linux-headers-386_2.6.32.41.48_i386.deb) ... >>> >> >> > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of >>> >> >> > linux-headers-386: >>> >> >> > linux-headers-386 depends on linux-headers-2.6.32-41-386; >>> >> >> > however: >>> >> >> > Package linux-headers-2.6.32-41-386 is not installed. >>> >> >> > dpkg: error processing linux-headers-386 (--install): >>> >> >> > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured >>> >> >> > Errors were encountered while processing: >>> >> >> > linux-headers-386 >>> >> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ unzip dgcmodem*.zip >>> >> >> > Archive: dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip >>> >> >> > inflating: dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb >>> >> >> > inflating: LICENSE >>> >> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i dgcmodem*.deb >>> >> >> > (Reading database ... 366334 files and directories currently >>> >> >> > installed.) >>> >> >> > Preparing to replace dgcmodem 1.06 (using >>> >> >> > dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.28_13_server_ubuntu_i386.deb) ... >>> >> >> > Warning: Module snd_hda_codec is in use by >>> >> >> > snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel >>> >> >> > Unpacking replacement dgcmodem ... >>> >> >> > Setting up dgcmodem (1.13-k2.6.28-13-server-1.ubuntu) ... >>> >> >> > Conexant DGC USB modem driver, version 1.13 >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > If you need assistance or more information, please go to: >>> >> >> > http://www.linuxant.com/ >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > When reporting a problem for the first time, please send >>> >> >> > us the file generated by "dgcconfig --dumpdiag". >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > No pre-built modules for: Ubuntu-12.04 linux-2.6.38-13-generic >>> >> >> > i686-SMP >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Please obtain the appropriate variant of this package for your >>> >> >> > system >>> >> >> > or try the generic DEB or tar version. >>> >> >> > fff@fff-1005HA:~/Downloads$ >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012, at 08:12 PM, Marvin Stodolsky wrote: >>> >> >> >> FTS, >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> If you are using a simple Login Password, then this Password >>> >> >> >> suffices >>> >> >> >> when you: >>> >> >> >> $ sudo SomeAdminCommand. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> If you apply this to: >>> >> >> >> $ sudo su root >>> >> >> >> SuperUser status is acquired, per my example below. >>> >> >> >> The new # prompt is symbolic of SuperUser status, as contrasted >>> >> >> >> to the >>> >> >> >> standard prompt: $ >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> If you are not using/forgotten a Login Password, there is a >>> >> >> >> more >>> >> >> >> complex >>> >> >> >> route. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> MarvS >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> ------------ >>> >> >> >> $ sudo su root >>> >> >> >> [sudo] password for marv: >>> >> >> >> \:/home/marv# >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 3:06 PM, fts lnx <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >> > Marv, >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > I have tried using su, but I do not remember the 'superuser' >>> >> >> >> > pass word. I >>> >> >> >> > believe you are saying it still is the same as in previous >>> >> >> >> > vers.of ubuntu. >>> >> >> >> > But, since I can not remember it this comand does'nt help. >>> >> >> >> > So how do you >>> >> >> >> > create a new one (without knowing the old one). By the way, >>> >> >> >> > though I booted >>> >> >> >> > up on the older versions, they have many non works functions. >>> >> >> >> > I can't even >>> >> >> >> > open text editors, can not print, no update mgr., etc... I >>> >> >> >> > was >>> >> >> >> > able to >>> >> >> >> > recover my Docs. and Pictures though. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 11:44 PM, Marvin Stodolsky wrote: >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > $ sudo su root >>> >> >> >> > To acquire super user status. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Your installation is in fact 12.04 in all of its particular >>> >> >> >> > applications. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > You merely have the option of using them under an older >>> >> >> >> > kernel >>> >> >> >> > + modules >>> >> >> >> > which is still supporting your modem. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Linux is generally thus good, in having backwards >>> >> >> >> > compatibility >>> >> >> >> > with older >>> >> >> >> > kernels. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > MarvS >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > On Jun 29, 2012 9:51 PM, "fts lnx" <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > how does one become superuser again. I use to be prior to >>> >> >> >> > the >>> >> >> >> > upgrade. Now >>> >> >> >> > I forgot the password. I tried but did not work. I need >>> >> >> >> > this >>> >> >> >> > as you know >>> >> >> >> > to perform special functions,(help). >>> >> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012, at 01:46 PM, Marvin Stodolsky wrote: >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > You want to boot under the 2.6.38- choice to test the modem. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Older kernels do NO harm , and are without ANY effect when >>> >> >> >> > using a newer >>> >> >> >> > kernel. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > But occasionally some device (like a modem) will not yet work >>> >> >> >> > under a new >>> >> >> >> > series kernel. Then you benefit from still having resident, >>> >> >> >> > the >>> >> >> >> > older kernel >>> >> >> >> > + driver modules which served you well. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > MarvS >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > On Jun 29, 2012 11:14 AM, "fts lnx" <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > Marv, I guess I do not know how to compile under the previous >>> >> >> >> > compiler. >>> >> >> >> > I followed your directions by re-booting and then run the >>> >> >> >> > dgcmodem >>> >> >> >> > install. I'm learning but evidently have more to go. When >>> >> >> >> > does the >>> >> >> >> > compile start (running sudo dgcmodem or the sudo header). >>> >> >> >> > I >>> >> >> >> > think >>> >> >> >> > your step by step instruct will help. >>> >> >> >> > On another subj. After I had installed Ubuntu 12.04, I >>> >> >> >> > notice >>> >> >> >> > in grub >>> >> >> >> > boot 12 or more additional lines dealing with booting up (re: >>> >> >> >> > recovery >>> >> >> >> > options). I always choose the 1st boot in line though. All >>> >> >> >> > the other >>> >> >> >> > ones (except diagnostic tests) deal with (10) 2.6.38 & (2) >>> >> >> >> > 3.0.0-20 >>> >> >> >> > sda1/dev. Are these important to know\use. If not how and >>> >> >> >> > should they >>> >> >> >> > be removed or ignored? Thanks >>> >> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 09:33 PM, Marvin Stodolsky wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> FTS, >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> You ran the tests under a 3.2.0-25-generic-pae boot >>> >> >> >> >> whereunder we now >>> >> >> >> >> the compile fails. >>> >> >> >> >> You must instead do the compiled and tests under the >>> >> >> >> >> 2.6.38-13-generic-pae boot kernel >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> MarvS >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:13 PM, fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> > Ok MARV, >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > Here is the file from the dgcconf diag. Hopefully we can >>> >> >> >> >> > solve this >>> >> >> >> >> > repetitive error. As usual thanks for your helpful >>> >> >> >> >> > assist. >>> >> >> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012, at 08:05 AM, Marvin Stodolsky wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> FTS, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> It is not clear what you actually did. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> The sequence is to FIRST install the new kernel with >>> >> >> >> >> >> heqders with: >>> >> >> >> >> >> $ sudo dpkg -i linux*.deb >>> >> >> >> >> >> within the folder containing them will suffiice to >>> >> >> >> >> >> install.l >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Then reboot under the new 2.6.38-13-generic-pae kernel. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Only then run the dgcmodem install. >>> >> >> >> >> >> It there is still a failure: >>> >> >> >> >> >> $ sudo dgcconfig --dumpdiag >>> >> >> >> >> >> which will ouput a report to the /tmp/ fplder >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> MarvS >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:02 AM, fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> > Marv, no luck. See attached >>> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> >> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012, at 01:20 PM, Marvin Stodolsky >>> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> For 11.04 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/devel/linux-headers-2.6.38-13-generic-pae >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/linux-headers-2.6.38-13 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/devel/linux-image-2.6.38-13-generic-pae >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------- >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> would be a compatible set. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> MarvS >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:30 AM, fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Marv, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Here is a look in my Downloads for headers. Is this >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > what matching >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > headers and DGCmodem should be (I have a dublicate >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > header #1 and >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > #2 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > which I am aware of) for compiling, for the original >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > setup I use >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > with >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ubuntu 11.04? FYI >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Marvin Stodolsky >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> FTS, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You are trying to do the compile while under >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ubuntu-12.04 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> linux-3.2.0-25-generic-pae >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under which the compile fails. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> But you should instead do a boot and compile under >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> one of your >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2.6.24-25 kernels , when the modem last worked! The >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> matching >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> linux-headers-2.6.24-25 must be first installed, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> before >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> attempting the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> compile. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MarvS >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ===== >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.31_14_generic_ubuntu_i386.deb >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> linux-headers-2.6.24-25_2.6.24-25.63_all.deb >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> linux-headers-lum-2.6.24-19-server_2.6.24-19.28_i386.deb >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fff@asusslinux:~/Downloads$ unzip dgcmodem*.zip >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.31_14_generic_ubuntu_i386.deb(1).zip >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> caution: filename not matched: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> dgcmodem_1.13_k2.6.31_14_generic_ubuntu_i386.deb.zip >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM, fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Marv, though I did not mention it, I did do the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > unzip 1st. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Here is a copy >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of info. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I saw also the 'caution' but did not know what it >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > was about. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Fyi,-- >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, at 08:17 PM, Marvin >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Stodolsky >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > First, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > $ unzip dg*.zip >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Before the dpkg >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > M. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 25, 2012 5:10 PM, "fts lnx" >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Marv, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > After install of the dgc driver ( 1.13.k2.6.31_14 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > generic_ubuntu_i386.den.zip running sudo dpkg -i >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dgcmodem*.deb, still get >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "comand not found" when sudo wvdialconf >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > /etc/wvdial.conf is >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > executed. Looks >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > like the file is not being created,fyi. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012, at 07:26 PM, Marvin >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Stodolsky >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Just use the most recent generic gcmodem.deb.zip >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > package >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 24, 2012 5:54 PM, "fts lnx" >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Marv, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I found the former headers but can't find the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > former dgcmodem >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > drivers.(found 1.13 and no 7.68. I also had >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > already >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > removed >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (via rpm -) >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > both header/dgcmodem to update them from 19 to >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 25. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I assume >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > they had >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > both been updated by the system under latest vers >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 12.04. I sure >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wish I >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > had known about moving home to its partition >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > before >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I ran the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > upgrade. I >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > hope in the future they include the home >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > directory >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > info, or >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > mention it >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in the upgrade instructions. I will wait for your >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > feedback >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > before I >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > continue, Thanks. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Marvin >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Stodolsky >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fts, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> While awaiting a response from Jonathan, here is >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> way to >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> recover the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> old functionality. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Under Ubuntu 12.04, the last kernel_image that >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> worked under >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 11.10 can >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be installed. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Also install the correponding linux-headers >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> packages, so that >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you can >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> compile. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Compile and use the dgcmodem package under the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> old >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> kernel, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> until >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jonathan has a fix. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a more general issue of upgrading. It >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> best to >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> have /home/ >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in its own partition. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Then when you do an upgrade, choose the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> non-automatic mode and >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> retain >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> your old /home/ folder with all your settings >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> retained. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MarvS >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 7:57 PM, fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Marvin,, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Long time no problems, until I upgraded to >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ubuntu from >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 11.10 to 12.04. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I 1st tried the upgrade using Update Mgr. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > After >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > spending >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > many hours >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > doing the upgrade, I gave up. I was then told >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to use the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > down load of >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 12.04 and then install by USB. I was mostly >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > successful with >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the upgrade >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > until I found out it did not save any of my >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > previous >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > setting, printer, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > pictures, mail and you guess it the modem >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > connections. I >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > had purposely >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > done a backup prior to upgrade, but it would >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > not >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > work with >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 12.04. I >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wanted to use the stability of LTS, but now I >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wish I had >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > stayed with >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 11;10. An yway, I have been trying to >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > re-establish the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > modem connection >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > info you instructed me with. After I down >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > loaded and >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > install the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > headers and dgcmodem packs I still can not >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > getting into the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wvdialconf >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > /etc/wvdial.conf. (I get Comand not found). I >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > have tried all >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > available dgcmodem like server,ubuntu,generic >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > no avail. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The only one >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I had not tried is the Tar version. Since it >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > has been a >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > long time since >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I installed the modem, I also use latest >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > updates >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (substiting >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > series 25 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > for orgiinal 19) for headers and the Dgcmodem >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > data. If you >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > could again >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > help me fix this, I would surely appreciate >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > your >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > answers. I >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > tried to use >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the Ubuntu Community Form, but had'nt gotten >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > anywhere so >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > far. Thanks >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > you Marv. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Marvin >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Stodolsky wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> RE: USB modem driver (CDC ACM) >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the open source USB modem driver >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> included in any >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Linux release. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Install the Ubuntu wvdial package, if not >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> already >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> installed, which >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> includes the wvdialconf testing utility. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Some dependent packages may be necessary too. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> download, all can >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be coinstalled with: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> $ sudo wvdialconf >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> should report detection of your modem, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> outputting >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> /etc/wvdial.conf >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> $ sudo gedit /etc/wvdial.conf >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Remove the symbols ; < > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and on the affected lines edit in your >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> personal >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> info. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thereafter you should be able to dialout with >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> $ sudo wvdial >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Get >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/#scanModem >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> unpack and run as: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> $ ./scanModem >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> some useful diagnostics and usage info will >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> be >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> returned. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please send me the ModemData.txt >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MarvS >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:30 PM, fts lnx >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <fitonm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hello Marvin, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I got your contact, from a previous person >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > who you help >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > set up his >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > USB >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > modem. He spoke very highly of your >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > skills/talent with >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Linux. I am >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > using Ubuntu vers. 11.04 and trying to >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > install the us >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > robotics usb >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > modem >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > #5637 on my Asus netbook. After reading the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > following >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > nanufactures >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > info.: >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (Linux Kernel 2.4.20 and Higher) >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > You need a USB modem driver (CDC ACM) >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > compiled into a >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Linux kernel >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 2.4.20 or higher or as a loadable module >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > for >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > your >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > kernel. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Installation >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of the modem under these kernels is fully >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > automatic >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > provided your >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > kernel has the Plug and Play module >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > enabled >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (default). >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > You do not >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > need >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to install any drivers off the USRobotics >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > installation >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > CD-ROM. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I am not that well versed in Linux, but >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > slowly getting >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > there. How >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > does >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > one go about to compile the cdc acm into >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > existing >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > kernal(mine is >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 2.6.38)? >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Do I assume that it is already compiled in >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > my >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > version of >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ubuntu? If >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > so, >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > what are the command(s) one would use to >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > install all on >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > my system? I >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > am >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > thanking you for your reply and help with >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > this apps. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > installation. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > pop-ups email >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > service >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... 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Try it for >>> >> > free >>> >> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be >>> > >> >> -- >> http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: >> http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html >> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: >> http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html > -- Forrest Charnock
