<SNT106-W19A040CFEC435DDDD1F124BFB30@xxxxxxx> <249133280911020838w306dd775i38df339e5b385f5d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Hola=2C Arturo. Antes de nada=2C muchas gracias por tu respuesta. Me ha sido mucho m=E1s f= =E1cil comprenderla debido a la ra=EDz com=FAn de nuestros idiomas. Conozco el programa efax-gtk=2C de hecho lo tengo instalado=2C pero me da e= rror a la hora de acceder al modem=2C de ah=ED la raz=F3n de mi consulta. S= upongo que ser=E1 por lo que me comenta Marv de las funciones de audio que = son necesarias para el fax. =BFPodr=EDas decirme c=F3mo hiciste t=FA para conseguirlo? =BFTambi=E9n tuv= iste que instalar o compilar los m=F3dulos que me comentaron? Un abrazo=2C y muchas gracias por tu ayuda=2C =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 Alfredo > Date: Mon=2C 2 Nov 2009 17:38:45 +0100 > Subject: Re: FW: 0x10573055 chipset faxing through /dev/pts/N ports? WAS:= Alfredo=2C Spain=2C kernel 2.6.28-16-generic > From: ciornjeja@xxxxxxxxx > To: provisio@xxxxxxxxxx > CC: olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx=3B marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx=3B discuss@linm= odems.org >=20 > Alfredo > non conosco lo spagnolo e spero che tu capisca l'italiano. > Con Ubuntu 9.04 =E8 possibile spedire fax usando il programma Efax-gtk > che si trova nei repositori di Ubuntu. La procedura =E8 semplice=2C > bisogna preparare il documento in formato PDF o postscript=2C ma io non > so spiegarlo in spagnolo. Ma prima di tutto devi installare il modulo > che pilota il modem come indicato dallo scanmodem e scritto da > Antonio. Io spedisco e ricevo fax con Ubuntu. >=20 > 2009/11/2 Alfredo M.H. <provisio@xxxxxxxxxx>: >> >> Marv=2C Antonio. >> >> =A0De nuevo=2C much=EDsimas gracias por vuestras r=E1pidas y =FAtiles re= spuestas. A ti=2C Antonio=2C gracias adem=E1s por hacer de int=E9rprete=2C = porque=2C como ya os dije=2C mi nivel de ingl=E9s deja much=EDsimo que dese= ar. >> >> =A0En fin=2C viendo que va a ser imposible (o muuuuy dif=EDcil para m=ED= ) usar este modem como fax=2C tendr=E9 que seguir usando el de otro port=E1= til con Win XP (el m=EDo=2C que tiene una partici=3DF3n con Vista que apena= s uso por lo malo que es ese sistema operativo=2C no tiene servicios para e= nviar fax y tampoco tengo ning=3DFAn programa comercial para hacerlo). De m= omento=2C estoy bastante contento con Ubuntu 9.04=2C aunque=2C viniendo del= mundo Windows=2C se echa en falta un poco m=E1s de facilidad en algunas cu= estiones y alguna que otra funcionalidad en los programas habituales=2C per= o bueno=2C todo es ir investigando y aprendiendo. >> >> =A0Un saludo y muchas gracias >> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Al= fredo >> >> >> >>>> Marv dice que el modem no se usa generalmente para hacer FAX aunque el >>>> archivo SLMODEMD esta competente para hacer FAX. El problema es que >>>> el modem usa un port verdadero /dev/pts/N con N siendo un numero y no >>>> tienen la capacidad para sonido que se requiere para FAX. >>>>=3D20 >>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>=3D20 >>>> Alfredo >>>>=3D20 >>>> Re: solo quiero usar el modem para enviar faxes de manera ocasional. >>>> Concerning FAX=3D2C this can likely not be supported under Linux=3D2C = though >>>> the slmodemd utility is itself FAX competent. >>>> The problem is that the modem uses the a true port /dev/pts/N (some nu= m=3D >>> ber) >>>> Such /dev/pts/ ports do not yet have the capability for the SOUND >>>> support needed for fax. >>>>=3D20 >>>> List if someone else has another experience concerning Faxing through >>>> /dev/pts/ ports=3D2C please advise. >>>>=3D20 >>>> Saludos=3D2C >>>>=3D20 >>>> Antonio >>>>=3D20 >>>> On 11/2/09=3D2C Marvin Stodolsky =A0wrote: >>>>> Alfredo >>>>> >>>>> Re: solo quiero usar el modem para enviar faxes de manera ocasional. >>>>> Concerning FAX=3D2C this can likely not be supported under Linux=3D2C= though >>>>> the slmodemd utility is itself FAX competent. >>>>> The problem is that the modem uses the a true port /dev/pts/N (some n= um=3D >>> ber) >>>>> Such /dev/pts/ ports do not yet have the capability for the SOUND >>>>> support needed for fax. >>>>> >>>>> List if someone else has another experience concerning Faxing through >>>>> /dev/pts/ ports=3D2C please advise. >>>>> >>>>> MarvS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon=3D2C Nov 2=3D2C 2009 at 7:16 AM=3D2C Alfredo M.H. =3D >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Gracias a todos por vuestras respuestas=3D2C y perdonad nuevamente p= or mi=3D >>> baja >>>>>> comprensi=3DF3n del ingl=3DE9s. He bajado la versi=3DF3n de SLMODEMD= que me r=3D >>> ecomienda >>>>>> MarvS=3D2C pero ahora me encuentro con el mismo problema=3D2C porque= est=3DE1=3D >>> repleto >>>>>> de archivos en ingl=3DE9s y cada cual dice sus cosas y no s=3DE9 a q= u=3DE9 at=3D >>> enerme. >>>>>> >>>>>> Si alguien fuera tan amable de explic=3DE1rmelo en espa=3DF1ol y de = manera >>>>>> comprensible me ser=3DEDa de gran ayuda. Como dije en mi primer mens= aje=3D >>> =3D2C solo >>>>>> quiero usar el modem para enviar faxes de manera ocasional. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bueno=3D2C repito=3D2C muchas gracias a todos y disculpad mi torpeza= (soy n=3D >>> uevo en >>>>>> el mundo Linux y se nota) y mi poco nivel de ingl=3DE9s. Un saludo= =3D2C >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Alfredo >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Sun=3D2C 1 Nov 2009 18:36:52 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Alfredo=3D2C Spain=3D2C kernel 2.6.28-16-generic >>>>>>> From: marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> To: olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> CC: provisio@xxxxxxxxxx=3D3B discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alfredo=3D2C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Use the =3DA0SLMODEMD_gcc4.3_alsa1.0.18.tar.gz >>>>>>> to match the ALSA version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll fix the bug in scanModem >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MarvS >>>>>>> scanModem maintainer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun=3D2C Nov 1=3D2C 2009 at 3:08 PM=3D2C Antonio Olivares >>>>>>> =A0wrote: >>>>>>>> Alfredo=3D2C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> scanModem recommends that you get SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Predictive =3DA0diagnostics for card in bus 00:0f.0: >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 Modem chipset =3DA0detected on >>>>>>>> =3DA0NAME=3D3D"Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azal= ia Audi=3D >>> o >>>>>>>> Controller" >>>>>>>> =3DA0CLASS=3D3D0403 >>>>>>>> =3DA0PCIDEV=3D3D1039:7502 >>>>>>>> =3DA0SUBSYS=3D3D1043:1783 >>>>>>>> =3DA0IRQ=3D3D18 >>>>>>>> =3DA0HDA=3D3D1039:7502 >>>>>>>> =3DA0SOFT=3D3D1039:7502.HDA >>>>>>>> =3DA0HDAchipVendorID=3D3D1057 >>>>>>>> =3DA0CHIP=3D3D0x10573055 >>>>>>>> =3DA0IDENT=3D3Dslmodemd >>>>>>>> =3DA0SLMODEMD_DEVICE=3D3Dhw:0=3D2C6 >>>>>>>> =3DA0Driver=3D3Dsnd-hda-intel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3DA0For candidate modem in: =3DA000:0f.0 >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA00403 Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Aza= lia Aud=3D >>> io >>>>>>>> Controller >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 Primary device ID: =3DA01039:7502 >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 Subsystem PCI_id =3DA01043:1783 >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 Softmodem codec or chipset from diagnostics: 0x1057305= 5 >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 = =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0from =3D >>> =3DA0 =3DA0Archives: >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 = =3DA0 The HDA card softmode=3D >>> m chip is 0x10573055 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3DA0Support type needed or chipset: =3DA0 =3DA0slmodemd supportin= g the >>>>>>>> snd-hda-intel audio+modem driver >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3DA0An ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) modem driver: >>>>>>>> =3DA0snd-hda-intel >>>>>>>> =3DA0provides Low Level support enabling contact with the modem ha= rdwar=3D >>> e. >>>>>>>> =3DA0For all BUT Conexant chip soft modems (using hsfmodem softwar= e) >>>>>>>> =3DA0complementary High Level support is through a Smartlink utili= ty: >>>>>>>> =3DA0slmodemd >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3DA0Download from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smartl= ink/ >>>>>>>> =3DA0the package SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz having a compiled slmodemd= . >>>>>>>> Unpack under Linux with: >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0$ tar zxf SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz >>>>>>>> =3DA0and read instructions therein. But briefly=3D2C the modem is = setup w=3D >>> ith >>>>>>>> command: >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0sudo slmodemd -c YOUR_COUNTRY --alsa hw:0=3D2C6 >>>>>>>> =3DA0reporting dynamic creation of ports: >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 /dev/ttySL0 --> /dev/pts/N =3DA0 =3D2C with N some num= ber >>>>>>>> =3DA0Read DOCs/Smartlink.txt and Modem/DOCs/YourSystem.txt for fol= low >>>>>>>> through guidance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One problem is the Modem Interrupt Assignment=3D2C and wvdial is n= ot >>>>>>>> installed: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For candidate card in slot 00:0f.0=3D2C firmware information and b= ootup >>>>>>>> diagnostics are: >>>>>>>> =3DA0PCI slot =3DA0 =3DA0PCI ID =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0SubsystemID= =3DA0 =3DA0Name >>>>>>>> =3DA0---------- =3DA0 =3DA0--------- =3DA0 =3DA0--------- =3DA0 = =3DA0-------------- >>>>>>>> =3DA000:0f.0 =3DA0 =3DA01039:7502 =3DA0 =3DA01043:1783 =3DA0 =3DA0= Audio device: Sil=3D >>> icon >>>>>>>> Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3DA0Modem interrupt assignment and sharing: >>>>>>>> =3DA018: =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA018017 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0384 =3DA0 I= O-APIC-fasteoi =3DA0 HD=3D >>> A Intel >>>>>>>> =3DA0--- Bootup diagnostics for card in PCI slot 00:0f.0 ---- >>>>>>>> =3DA0[ =3DA0 =3DA00.521688] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 10 32bit mmio: >>>>>>>> [0xfddf8000-0xfddfbfff] >>>>>>>> =3DA0[ =3DA0 =3DA00.521724] pci 0000:00:0f.0: PME# supported from = D0 D3hot =3D >>> D3cold >>>>>>>> =3DA0[ =3DA0 =3DA00.521728] pci 0000:00:0f.0: PME# disabled >>>>>>>> =3DA0[ =3DA0 11.242765] HDA Intel 0000:00:0f.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 1= 8 (leve=3D >>> l=3D2C >>>>>>>> low) -> IRQ 18 >>>>>>>> =3DA0[ =3DA0 11.242865] HDA Intel 0000:00:0f.0: setting latency ti= mer to =3D >>> 64 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =3DA0The PCI slot 00:0f.0 of the modem card may be disabled early = in >>>>>>>> =3DA0a bootup process=3D2C =3DA0but then enabled later. If modem d= rivers lo=3D >>> ad >>>>>>>> =3DA0but the =3DA0modem is not responsive=3D2C read DOCs/Bootup.tx= t about p=3D >>> ossible >>>>>>>> fixes. >>>>>>>> =3DA0Send dmesg.txt along with ModemData.txt to discuss@linmodems.= org >>>>>>>> =3DA0if help is needed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The dialer utility package WVDIAL does not appear to be installed = on >>>>>>>> your System. >>>>>>>> =3DA0For Ubuntu Jaunty users=3D2C there are at the bottom of >>>>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/: >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0wvdial_jaunty_amd64.zip =3DA0 for x86_64=3D2C 64 = bit bus syste=3D >>> ms. >>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0wvdial_jaunty_i386.zip =3DA0 =3DA0for 32 bit syst= ems. >>>>>>>> =3DA0These are about 1 MB in size. =3DA0After downloaded and copie= d into =3D >>> your >>>>>>>> Linux partition: >>>>>>>> =3DA0$ unzip wv*.zip >>>>>>>> =3DA0Within the new folder: >>>>>>>> =3DA0$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb >>>>>>>> =3DA0will =3DA0complete the wvdial installation >>>>>>>> =3DA0Please read Modem/DOCs/wvdial.txt for usage information. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is however=3D2C a problem=3D2C since your system is x86_64 b= it and >>>>>>>> SLMODEMD only works in 32 bit. If you reinstall Ubuntu=3D2C try >>>>>>>> reinstalling 32 bit to make the modem functional. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alfredo=3D2C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> scanModem recommienda SLMODEMD.gcc.4.3.tar.gz=3D2C pero tu sistema= es 6=3D >>> 4 >>>>>>>> bits y SLMODEMD es solamente para 32 bits. =3DA0El modem si puede >>>>>>>> funcionar pero solo en 32 bits. =3DA0Tambien no tienes el archivo = WVDIA=3D >>> L >>>>>>>> installado. =3DA0Si reinstalas Ubuntu=3D2C instala la version de 3= 2 bits =3D >>> para >>>>>>>> poder usar el modem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saludos=3D2C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Antonio >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/1/09=3D2C Alfredo M.H. =A0wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello=3D2C everybody. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Before I pass to expose my problem=3D2C I'd >>>>>>>>> like apologize for my level of English. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have an Asus notebook with this >>>>>>>>> features: Intel Core 2 Duo CPU (T5800)=3D2C 4 Gb. RAM=3D2C 15.4= =3D94 WXGA=3D >>> =3D2C 320 >>>>>>>>> Gb. HDD=3D2C DVD Sup. MTI=3D2C Graphic Card ATI Mobility Radeon H= D 3470 =3D >>> (VRAM >>>>>>>>> 256 Mb.)=3D2C 802.11 b/g (Atheros AR928X) and -according to Vista= - a >>>>>>>>> Motorola SM56 Speakerphone modem/fax. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I use Ubuntu 9.04=3D2C and I'd like to use >>>>>>>>> the modem to send faxes=3D2C but it seems that Ubuntu don't detec= t it.=3D >>> I >>>>>>>>> ran the scanModem tool but=3D2C due to my bad English understandi= ng=3D2C=3D >>> I >>>>>>>>> don't know what to do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd like someone help me (if possible=3D2C >>>>>>>>> in Spanish=3D2C please) to I can using the modem-fax. Here are th= e >>>>>>>>> content of ModemData.txt: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Only plain text email is forwarded by the=3DA0 Discuss@Linmo= dems.or=3D >>> g List >>>>>>>>> Server=3D2C >>>>>>>>> =3DA0as HTML can contain viruses. Use as the email Subject Line: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 YourName=3D2C = YourCountry=3DA0 kernel 2.6=3D >>> .28-16-generic >>>>>>>>> =3DA0With this Subject Line cogent experts will be alerted=3D2C a= nd usef=3D >>> ul case >>>>>>>>> names left in the Archive. >>>>>>>>> =3DA0YourCountry will enable Country specific guidance. Linux exp= erts =3D >>> in >>>>>>>>> YourCountry >>>>>>>>> =3DA0can be found through: http://www.linux.org/groups/index.html= . >>>>>>>>> They will know your Country's modem code=3D2C which may be essent= ial f=3D >>> or >>>>>>>>> dialup >>>>>>>>> service. >>>>>>>>> Responses from Discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx are sometimes blocked by an >>>>>>>>> Internet >>>>>>>>> Provider mail filters. >>>>>>>>> =3DA0So in a day=3D2C also check the Archived responses at >>>>>>>>> http://www.linmodems.org >>>>>>>>> --------------------------=3DA0 System information >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>>>>>> CPU=3D3Dx86_64=3D2C >>>>>>>>> Linux version 2.6.28-16-generic (buildd@crested) (gcc version 4.3= .3 >>>>>>>>> (Ubuntu >>>>>>>>> 4.3.3-5ubuntu4) ) #55-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 20 19:48:32 UTC 2009 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0scanModem update of:=3DA0 2009_09_15 >>>>>>>>> The modem symbolic link is /dev/modem -> ttySL0 >>>>>>>>> The slmodemd set symbolic link is /dev/ttySL0 -> /dev/pts/0 >>>>>>>>> The dialer utility package WVDIAL does not appear to be installed= on >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> System. >>>>>>>>> For Ubuntu Jaunty users=3D2C there are at the bottom of >>>>>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 wvdial_jaunty_amd64.zip=3DA0=3DA0 for x86_64= =3D2C 64 bit bus =3D >>> systems. >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 wvdial_jaunty_i386.zip=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 for 32= bit systems. >>>>>>>>> These are about 1 MB in size.=3DA0 After downloaded and copied in= to yo=3D >>> ur >>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>> partition: >>>>>>>>> $ unzip wv*.zip >>>>>>>>> Within the new folder: >>>>>>>>> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb >>>>>>>>> will=3DA0 complete the wvdial installation >>>>>>>>> Please read Modem/DOCs/wvdial.txt for usage information. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The dkms driver upgrade utilities are installed=3D2C >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some modem drivers can only be used in 32 bit modem on x86_64 sys= tem=3D >>> s=3D2C >>>>>>>>> while some others are competent on x86_64 Systems.=3DA0 Cases are= : >>>>>>>>> 1) >>>>>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-seventh/msg03119.= htm=3D >>> l >>>>>>>>> for the snd-hda-intel audio+modem driver. Also applicable to AC97= mo=3D >>> dem >>>>>>>>> controllers. >>>>>>>>> In both cases=3D2C 32 bit libraries must be installed to support = the >>>>>>>>> slmodemd >>>>>>>>> helper having a precompiled 32 bit component. >>>>>>>>> 2) For USB modems using the slusb.ko driver. 32 bit libraries mus= t b=3D >>> e >>>>>>>>> installed to support the slmodemd helper having a precompiled 32 = bit >>>>>>>>> component >>>>>>>>> 3) The hsfmodem and hcfpcimodem drivers for Conexant chipsest mod= es =3D >>> are >>>>>>>>> x86_64 competent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0There are no blacklisted modem drivers in /etc/modprobe*=3DA= 0 files >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Potentially useful modem drivers now loaded are: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 snd_hda_intel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Attached USB devices are: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0ID 0bda:0116 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device >>>>>>>>> =3DA0ID 04f2:b012 Chicony Electronics Co.=3D2C Ltd 1.3 MPixel UVC= webcam >>>>>>>>> =3DA0ID 03f0:0604 Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 840c >>>>>>>>> =3DA0ID 1241:1177 Belkin F8E842-DL Mouse >>>>>>>>> If a cellphone is not detected=3D2C see >>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-878554.html >>>>>>>>> A sample report is: >>>>>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-nineth/msg00578.h= tml >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If a USB modem or cellphone is attached and was not detected=3D2C= plea=3D >>> se >>>>>>>>> provide available information in your request to discuss@linmodem= s.o=3D >>> rg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For candidate card in slot 00:0f.0=3D2C firmware information and = bootu=3D >>> p >>>>>>>>> diagnostics are: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0PCI slot=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 PCI ID=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 =3DA0=3DA0=3DA= 0 SubsystemID=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 =3D >>> Name >>>>>>>>> =3DA0----------=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 ---------=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 ---------= =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 -------=3D >>> ------- >>>>>>>>> =3DA000:0f.0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 1039:7502=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 1043:1783=3D= A0=3DA0=3DA0 Audio devi=3D >>> ce: Silicon Integrated >>>>>>>>> Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Modem interrupt assignment and sharing: >>>>>>>>> =3DA018:=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 18017=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0= =3DA0=3DA0 384=3DA0=3DA0 IO-APIC-f=3D >>> asteoi=3DA0=3DA0 HDA Intel >>>>>>>>> =3DA0--- Bootup diagnostics for card in PCI slot 00:0f.0 ---- >>>>>>>>> [=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 0.521688] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 10 32bit mmio: >>>>>>>>> [0xfddf8000-0xfddfbfff] >>>>>>>>> [=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 0.521724] pci 0000:00:0f.0: PME# supported from = D0 D3hot =3D >>> D3cold >>>>>>>>> [=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 0.521728] pci 0000:00:0f.0: PME# disabled >>>>>>>>> [=3DA0=3DA0 11.242765] HDA Intel 0000:00:0f.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 1= 8 (leve=3D >>> l=3D2C low) >>>>>>>>> -> >>>>>>>>> IRQ 18 >>>>>>>>> [=3DA0=3DA0 11.242865] HDA Intel 0000:00:0f.0: setting latency ti= mer to =3D >>> 64 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0The PCI slot 00:0f.0 of the modem card may be disabled early= in >>>>>>>>> =3DA0a bootup process=3D2C=3DA0 but then enabled later. If modem = drivers l=3D >>> oad >>>>>>>>> =3DA0but the=3DA0 modem is not responsive=3D2C read DOCs/Bootup.t= xt about =3D >>> possible >>>>>>>>> fixes. >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Send dmesg.txt along with ModemData.txt to discuss@linmodems= .org >>>>>>>>> =3DA0if help is needed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA= ) diagnostics=3D >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>>>>>> The ALSA packages provide audio support and also drivers for some >>>>>>>>> modems. >>>>>>>>> ALSA diagnostics are written during bootup to /proc/asound/ folde= rs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The ALSA verion is 1.0.18 >>>>>>>>> The modem cards detected by "aplay -l"=3DA0 are: >>>>>>>>> tarjeta 0: SIS966 [HDA SIS966]=3D2C dispositivo 6: Si3054 Modem [= Si305=3D >>> 4 >>>>>>>>> Modem] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The /proc/asound/pcm file reports: >>>>>>>>> ----------------------- >>>>>>>>> 00-00: ALC660-VD Analog : ALC660-VD Analog : playback 1 : capture= 1 >>>>>>>>> 00-06: Si3054 Modem : Si3054 Modem : playback 1 : capture 1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> about /proc/asound/cards: >>>>>>>>> ------------------------ >>>>>>>>> =3DA00 [SIS966=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 ]: HDA-Int= el - HDA SIS966 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0= =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 HDA =3D >>> SIS966 at 0xfddf8000 irq 18 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0PCI slot 00:0f.0 has a High Definition Audio Card >>>>>>>>> =3DA0The drivers are in the kernel modules tree at: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0/lib/modules/2.6.28-16-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-= intel=3D >>> .ko >>>>>>>>> /lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel= .ko >>>>>>>>> =3DA0The modem codec file for the HDA card is: /proc/asound/card0= /code=3D >>> c#1 >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> Codec: Motorola Si3054 >>>>>>>>> Address: 1 >>>>>>>>> Vendor Id: 0x10573055 >>>>>>>>> Subsystem Id: 0x10431316 >>>>>>>>> Revision Id: 0x100700 >>>>>>>>> Modem Function Group: 0x1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0The audio card hosts a softmodem chip:=3DA0 0x10573055 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The softmodem chip 0x10573055 is in principle supported by the CO= MM >>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>> of slmodemd >>>>>>>>> and the joint snd-hda-intel audio+modem driver=3D2C begun with AL= SA ve=3D >>> rsion >>>>>>>>> 1.0.13. >>>>>>>>> For HDA cards with ALC883 chips=3D2C an upgrade to ALSA verions 1= .0.15=3D >>> way >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> necessary. Instructions for Upgrading snd-hda-intel and its depen= den=3D >>> t >>>>>>>>> driver >>>>>>>>> set are at: >>>>>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-eighth/msg00838.h= tml >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If not a Conexant modem=3D2C the driver snd-hda-intel with its de= pende=3D >>> nt >>>>>>>>> drivers: >>>>>>>>> snd_hda_intel=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 559028=3DA0= 6 >>>>>>>>> snd_pcm=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3D= A0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 99464=3DA0 4 snd_=3D >>> hda_intel=3D2Csnd_pcm_oss >>>>>>>>> snd=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0= =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 78920=3D >>> =3DA0 19 >>>>>>>>> snd_hda_intel=3D2Csnd_pcm_oss=3D2Csnd_mixer_oss=3D2Csnd_pcm=3D2Cs= nd_seq_oss=3D >>> =3D2Csnd_rawmidi=3D2Csnd_seq=3D2Csnd_timer=3D2Csnd_seq_device >>>>>>>>> snd_page_alloc=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 18704=3DA0= 2 snd_hda_intel=3D2Csn=3D >>> d_pcm >>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>> provide audio + modem support with the modem chip residing on the >>>>>>>>> subsystem. >>>>>>>>> Any particular card can host any one of several soft modem chips. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D Finished firmware and bootup diagnostics=3D2C nex= t deducing =3D >>> cogent >>>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Predictive=3DA0 diagnostics for card in bus 00:0f.0: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Modem chipset=3DA0 detected on >>>>>>>>> NAME=3D3D"Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia A= udio >>>>>>>>> Controller" >>>>>>>>> CLASS=3D3D0403 >>>>>>>>> PCIDEV=3D3D1039:7502 >>>>>>>>> SUBSYS=3D3D1043:1783 >>>>>>>>> IRQ=3D3D18 >>>>>>>>> HDA=3D3D1039:7502 >>>>>>>>> SOFT=3D3D1039:7502.HDA >>>>>>>>> HDAchipVendorID=3D3D1057 >>>>>>>>> CHIP=3D3D0x10573055 >>>>>>>>> IDENT=3D3Dslmodemd >>>>>>>>> SLMODEMD_DEVICE=3D3Dhw:0=3D2C6 >>>>>>>>> Driver=3D3Dsnd-hda-intel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0For candidate modem in:=3DA0 00:0f.0 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0 0403 Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Az= alia Au=3D >>> dio >>>>>>>>> Controller >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Primary device ID:=3DA0 1039:7502 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Subsystem PCI_id=3DA0 1043:1783 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Softmodem codec or chipset from diagnostics: 0x10= 573055 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0= =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3D >>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 from=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Archives: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0= =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3D >>> =3DA0 The HDA card softmodem chip is 0x10573055 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Support type needed or chipset:=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 slmodemd supportin= g the >>>>>>>>> snd-hda-intel >>>>>>>>> audio+modem driver >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0An ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) modem driver: >>>>>>>>> snd-hda-intel >>>>>>>>> =3DA0provides Low Level support enabling contact with the modem h= ardwa=3D >>> re. >>>>>>>>> =3DA0For all BUT Conexant chip soft modems (using hsfmodem softwa= re) >>>>>>>>> =3DA0complementary High Level support is through a Smartlink util= ity: >>>>>>>>> slmodemd >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Download from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smart= link/ >>>>>>>>> =3DA0the package SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz having a compiled slmodem= d. Un=3D >>> pack >>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>> Linux with: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 $ tar zxf SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz >>>>>>>>> =3DA0and read instructions therein. But briefly=3D2C the modem is= setup =3D >>> with >>>>>>>>> command: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 sudo slmodemd -c YOUR_COUNTRY --alsa hw:0=3D= 2C6 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0reporting dynamic creation of ports: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 /dev/ttySL0 --> /dev/pts/N=3DA0=3DA0 =3D2C with N= some number >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Read DOCs/Smartlink.txt and Modem/DOCs/YourSystem.txt for fo= llow >>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>> guidance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Writing DOCs/Smartlink.txt >>>>>>>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D end = Smartlink section =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Completed candidate modem analyses. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0The base of the UDEV device file system is: /dev/.udev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Versions adequately match for the compiler installed: 4.3.3 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 and = the compiler used in kernel=3D >>> assembly: 4.3.3 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Minimal compiling resources appear complete: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0 make utility - /usr/bin/make >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0 Compiler version 4.3 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0 linuc_headers base folder /lib/modules/2.6.28-16-gener= ic/buil=3D >>> d >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0However some compilations and executable functions may need = addit=3D >>> ional >>>>>>>>> files=3D2C >>>>>>>>> =3DA0in the FileNames.h (so called kernel "h"eaders) collection i= nstal=3D >>> led >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> /usr/include/ . >>>>>>>>> =3DA0For martian_modem=3D2C additional required packages are need= ed. The=3D >>> also >>>>>>>>> required headers of package libc6 are commonly installed by defau= lt. >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Compiling hsfmodem drivers does require linux-libc-dev and l= ibc6-=3D >>> dev >>>>>>>>> packages=3D2C for kernels 2.6.24 and later versions. >>>>>>>>> =3DA0In not included on your install CD=3D2C search for them at >>>>>>>>> http://packages.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>> =3DA0or comparable Repository for other Linux distros. >>>>>>>>> =3DA0When compiling ALSA drivers=3D2C the utility "patch" will al= so be n=3D >>> eeded. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If a driver compilation fails=3D2C with message including some la= ck of=3D >>> some >>>>>>>>> FileName.h (stdio.h for example)=3D2C then >>>>>>>>> Some additional kernel-header files need installation to /usr/inc= lud=3D >>> e. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> minimal additional packages are libc6-dev >>>>>>>>> and any of its dependents=3D2C under Ubuntu linux-libc-dev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If an alternate ethernet connection is available=3D2C >>>>>>>>> $=3DA0 apt-get update >>>>>>>>> $=3DA0 apt-get -s install linux-kernel-devel >>>>>>>>> will install needed packages. >>>>>>>>> For Debian/Ubuntu related distributions=3D2C run the following co= mmand=3D >>> to >>>>>>>>> display the needed package list: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Otherwise packages have to be found through http://packages.ubunt= u.c=3D >>> om >>>>>>>>> Once downloaded and transferred into a Linux partition=3D2C >>>>>>>>> they can be installed alltogether with: >>>>>>>>> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Checking pppd properties: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dip 321600 2009-02-20 19:26 /us= r/sbin/pp=3D >>> pd >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In case of an "error 17" "serial loopback" problem=3D2C see: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/linmodems/archive-sixth/msg02637.= htm=3D >>> l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To enable dialout without Root permission do: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 $ su - root=3DA0 (not for Ubuntu) >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 sudo chmod a+x /usr/sbin/pppd >>>>>>>>> or under Ubuntu related Linuxes >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 sudo chmod a+x /usr/sbin/pppd >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Checking settings of:=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 /etc/ppp/options >>>>>>>>> asyncmap 0 >>>>>>>>> noauth >>>>>>>>> crtscts >>>>>>>>> lock >>>>>>>>> hide-password >>>>>>>>> modem >>>>>>>>> proxyarp >>>>>>>>> lcp-echo-interval 30 >>>>>>>>> lcp-echo-failure 4 >>>>>>>>> noipx >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In case of a message like: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0 Warning: Could not modify /etc/ppp/pap-secrets: Permis= sion de=3D >>> nied >>>>>>>>> see http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-sixth/msg0465= 6.h=3D >>> tml >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Read Modem/DOCs/YourSystem.txt concerning other COMM channels: et= h0 >>>>>>>>> wlan0 >>>>>>>>> wmaster0 >>>>>>>>> Which can interfere with Browser naviagation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Don't worry about the following=3D2C it is for experts shoul= d troub=3D >>> le >>>>>>>>> shooting >>>>>>>>> be necessary. >>>>>>>>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D= =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D >>> =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0Checking for modem support lines: >>>>>>>>> =3DA0-------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 /device/modem symbolic link:=3DA0=3DA0 lrwxr= wxrwx 1 root ro=3D >>> ot 6 2009-11-01 >>>>>>>>> 16:04 /dev/modem -> ttySL0 >>>>>>>>> slmodemd created symbolic link /dev/ttySL0:=3DA0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 roo= t roo=3D >>> t 10 >>>>>>>>> 2009-11-01 16:04 /dev/ttySL0 -> /dev/pts/0 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Within /etc/udev/ files: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Within /etc/modprobe.conf files: >>>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf:# Uncomment these entries in= or=3D >>> der >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> blacklist unwanted modem drivers >>>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf:# blacklist snd-atiixp-modem >>>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf:# blacklist snd-via82xx-mode= m >>>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:options snd-atiixp-modem index=3D3= D-2 >>>>>>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:options snd-via82xx-modem index=3D= 3D-2 >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Within any ancient /etc/devfs files: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Within ancient kernel 2.4.n /etc/module.conf= files: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --------- end modem support lines -------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for helping me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0= =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3D >>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0= =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3D >>> =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Alfredo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Inf=3DF3rmate=3D2C mantente en contacto y encu=3DE9ntralo todo=3D= 2C a la vez=3D >>> . 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