0x10573055 chipset faxing through /dev/pts/N ports? WAS: Alfredo, Spain, kernel 2.6.28-16-generic

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Alfredo

Re:  solo quiero usar el modem para enviar faxes de manera ocasional.
Concerning FAX, this can likely not be supported under Linux, though
the slmodemd utility is itself FAX competent.
The problem is that the modem uses the a true port  /dev/pts/N (some number)
Such /dev/pts/ ports do not yet have the capability for the SOUND
support needed for fax.

List if someone else has another experience concerning Faxing through
/dev/pts/ ports, please advise.

MarvS


On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Alfredo M.H. <provisio@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Gracias a todos por vuestras respuestas, y perdonad nuevamente por mi baja comprensión del inglés. He bajado la versión de SLMODEMD que me recomienda MarvS, pero ahora me encuentro con el mismo problema, porque está repleto de archivos en inglés y cada cual dice sus cosas y no sé a qué atenerme.
>
> Si alguien fuera tan amable de explicármelo en español y de manera comprensible me sería de gran ayuda. Como dije en mi primer mensaje, solo quiero usar el modem para enviar faxes de manera ocasional.
>
> Bueno, repito, muchas gracias a todos y disculpad mi torpeza (soy nuevo en el mundo Linux y se nota) y mi poco nivel de inglés. Un saludo,
>
>                                                                            Alfredo
>
>> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:36:52 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Alfredo, Spain, kernel 2.6.28-16-generic
>> From: marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx
>> CC: provisio@xxxxxxxxxx; discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Alfredo,
>>
>> Use the  SLMODEMD_gcc4.3_alsa1.0.18.tar.gz
>> to match the ALSA version.
>>
>> I'll fix the bug in scanModem
>>
>> MarvS
>> scanModem maintainer
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Antonio Olivares
>> <olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Alfredo,
>>>
>>> scanModem recommends that you get SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz
>>>
>>> Predictive  diagnostics for card in bus 00:0f.0:
>>>     Modem chipset  detected on
>>>  NAME="Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller"
>>>  CLASS=0403
>>>  PCIDEV=1039:7502
>>>  SUBSYS=1043:1783
>>>  IRQ=18
>>>  HDA=1039:7502
>>>  SOFT=1039:7502.HDA
>>>  HDAchipVendorID=1057
>>>  CHIP=0x10573055
>>>  IDENT=slmodemd
>>>  SLMODEMD_DEVICE=hw:0,6
>>>  Driver=snd-hda-intel
>>>
>>>  For candidate modem in:  00:0f.0
>>>    0403 Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller
>>>       Primary device ID:  1039:7502
>>>     Subsystem PCI_id  1043:1783
>>>     Softmodem codec or chipset from diagnostics: 0x10573055
>>>                                from    Archives:
>>>                         The HDA card softmodem chip is 0x10573055
>>>
>>>
>>>  Support type needed or chipset:    slmodemd supporting the
>>> snd-hda-intel audio+modem driver
>>>
>>>  An ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) modem driver:  snd-hda-intel
>>>  provides Low Level support enabling contact with the modem hardware.
>>>  For all BUT Conexant chip soft modems (using hsfmodem software)
>>>  complementary High Level support is through a Smartlink utility:  slmodemd
>>>
>>>  Download from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smartlink/
>>>  the package SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz having a compiled slmodemd.
>>> Unpack under Linux with:
>>>      $ tar zxf SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz
>>>  and read instructions therein. But briefly, the modem is setup with command:
>>>      sudo slmodemd -c YOUR_COUNTRY --alsa hw:0,6
>>>  reporting dynamic creation of ports:
>>>     /dev/ttySL0 --> /dev/pts/N   , with N some number
>>>  Read DOCs/Smartlink.txt and Modem/DOCs/YourSystem.txt for follow
>>> through guidance.
>>>
>>> One problem is the Modem Interrupt Assignment, and wvdial is not installed:
>>>
>>> For candidate card in slot 00:0f.0, firmware information and bootup
>>> diagnostics are:
>>>  PCI slot    PCI ID        SubsystemID    Name
>>>  ----------    ---------    ---------    --------------
>>>  00:0f.0    1039:7502    1043:1783    Audio device: Silicon
>>> Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller
>>>
>>>  Modem interrupt assignment and sharing:
>>>  18:      18017        384   IO-APIC-fasteoi   HDA Intel
>>>  --- Bootup diagnostics for card in PCI slot 00:0f.0 ----
>>>  [    0.521688] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xfddf8000-0xfddfbfff]
>>>  [    0.521724] pci 0000:00:0f.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold
>>>  [    0.521728] pci 0000:00:0f.0: PME# disabled
>>>  [   11.242765] HDA Intel 0000:00:0f.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level,
>>> low) -> IRQ 18
>>>  [   11.242865] HDA Intel 0000:00:0f.0: setting latency timer to 64
>>>
>>>  The PCI slot 00:0f.0 of the modem card may be disabled early in
>>>  a bootup process,  but then enabled later. If modem drivers load
>>>  but the  modem is not responsive, read DOCs/Bootup.txt about possible fixes.
>>>  Send dmesg.txt along with ModemData.txt to discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>  if help is needed.
>>>
>>> The dialer utility package WVDIAL does not appear to be installed on
>>> your System.
>>>  For Ubuntu Jaunty users, there are at the bottom of
>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/:
>>>      wvdial_jaunty_amd64.zip   for x86_64, 64 bit bus systems.
>>>      wvdial_jaunty_i386.zip    for 32 bit systems.
>>>  These are about 1 MB in size.  After downloaded and copied into your
>>> Linux partition:
>>>  $ unzip wv*.zip
>>>  Within the new folder:
>>>  $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
>>>  will  complete the wvdial installation
>>>  Please read Modem/DOCs/wvdial.txt for usage information.
>>>
>>> There is however, a problem, since your system is x86_64 bit and
>>> SLMODEMD only works in 32 bit. If you reinstall Ubuntu, try
>>> reinstalling 32 bit to make the modem functional.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alfredo,
>>>
>>> scanModem recommienda SLMODEMD.gcc.4.3.tar.gz, pero tu sistema es 64
>>> bits y SLMODEMD es solamente para 32 bits.  El modem si puede
>>> funcionar pero solo en 32 bits.  Tambien no tienes el archivo WVDIAL
>>> installado.  Si reinstalas Ubuntu, instala la version de 32 bits para
>>> poder usar el modem.
>>>
>>> Saludos,
>>>
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>> On 11/1/09, Alfredo M.H. <provisio@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       <!--
>>>>               @page { margin: 2cm }
>>>>               P { margin-bottom: 0.21cm }
>>>>       -->
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello, everybody.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before I pass to expose my problem, I'd
>>>> like apologize for my level of English.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have an Asus notebook with this
>>>> features: Intel Core 2 Duo CPU (T5800), 4 Gb. RAM, 15.4” WXGA, 320
>>>> Gb. HDD, DVD Sup. MTI, Graphic Card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3470 (VRAM
>>>> 256 Mb.), 802.11 b/g (Atheros AR928X) and -according to Vista- a
>>>> Motorola SM56 Speakerphone modem/fax.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use Ubuntu 9.04, and I'd like to use
>>>> the modem to send faxes, but it seems that Ubuntu don't detect it. I
>>>> ran the scanModem tool but, due to my bad English understanding, I
>>>> don't know what to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd like someone help me (if possible,
>>>> in Spanish, please) to I can using the modem-fax. Here are the
>>>> content of ModemData.txt:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Only plain text email is forwarded by the  Discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx List
>>>> Server,
>>>>  as HTML can contain viruses. Use as the email Subject Line:
>>>>            YourName, YourCountry  kernel 2.6.28-16-generic
>>>>  With this Subject Line cogent experts will be alerted, and useful case
>>>> names left in the Archive.
>>>>  YourCountry will enable Country specific guidance. Linux experts in
>>>> YourCountry
>>>>  can be found through: http://www.linux.org/groups/index.html.
>>>> They will know your Country's modem code, which may be essential for dialup
>>>> service.
>>>> Responses from Discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx are sometimes blocked by an Internet
>>>> Provider mail filters.
>>>>  So in a day, also check the Archived responses at http://www.linmodems.org
>>>> --------------------------  System information ----------------------------
>>>> CPU=x86_64,
>>>> Linux version 2.6.28-16-generic (buildd@crested) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Ubuntu
>>>> 4.3.3-5ubuntu4) ) #55-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 20 19:48:32 UTC 2009
>>>>  scanModem update of:  2009_09_15
>>>> The modem symbolic link is /dev/modem -> ttySL0
>>>> The slmodemd set symbolic link is /dev/ttySL0 -> /dev/pts/0
>>>> The dialer utility package WVDIAL does not appear to be installed on your
>>>> System.
>>>> For Ubuntu Jaunty users, there are at the bottom of
>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/:
>>>>      wvdial_jaunty_amd64.zip   for x86_64, 64 bit bus systems.
>>>>      wvdial_jaunty_i386.zip    for 32 bit systems.
>>>> These are about 1 MB in size.  After downloaded and copied into your Linux
>>>> partition:
>>>> $ unzip wv*.zip
>>>> Within the new folder:
>>>> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
>>>> will  complete the wvdial installation
>>>> Please read Modem/DOCs/wvdial.txt for usage information.
>>>>
>>>> The dkms driver upgrade utilities are installed,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some modem drivers can only be used in 32 bit modem on x86_64 systems,
>>>> while some others are competent on x86_64 Systems.  Cases are:
>>>> 1) http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-seventh/msg03119.html
>>>> for the snd-hda-intel audio+modem driver. Also applicable to AC97 modem
>>>> controllers.
>>>> In both cases, 32 bit libraries must be installed to support the slmodemd
>>>> helper having a precompiled 32 bit component.
>>>> 2) For USB modems using the slusb.ko driver. 32 bit libraries must be
>>>> installed to support the slmodemd helper having a precompiled 32 bit
>>>> component
>>>> 3) The hsfmodem and hcfpcimodem drivers for Conexant chipsest modes are
>>>> x86_64 competent.
>>>>
>>>>  There are no blacklisted modem drivers in /etc/modprobe*  files
>>>>
>>>>  Potentially useful modem drivers now loaded are:
>>>>          snd_hda_intel
>>>>
>>>> Attached USB devices are:
>>>>  ID 0bda:0116 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device
>>>>  ID 04f2:b012 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd 1.3 MPixel UVC webcam
>>>>  ID 03f0:0604 Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 840c
>>>>  ID 1241:1177 Belkin F8E842-DL Mouse
>>>> If a cellphone is not detected, see
>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-878554.html
>>>> A sample report is:
>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-nineth/msg00578.html
>>>>
>>>> If a USB modem or cellphone is attached and was not detected, please
>>>> provide available information in your request to discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> For candidate card in slot 00:0f.0, firmware information and bootup
>>>> diagnostics are:
>>>>  PCI slot    PCI ID        SubsystemID    Name
>>>>  ----------    ---------    ---------    --------------
>>>>  00:0f.0    1039:7502    1043:1783    Audio device: Silicon Integrated
>>>> Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller
>>>>
>>>>  Modem interrupt assignment and sharing:
>>>>  18:      18017        384   IO-APIC-fasteoi   HDA Intel
>>>>  --- Bootup diagnostics for card in PCI slot 00:0f.0 ----
>>>> [    0.521688] pci 0000:00:0f.0: reg 10 32bit mmio: [0xfddf8000-0xfddfbfff]
>>>> [    0.521724] pci 0000:00:0f.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold
>>>> [    0.521728] pci 0000:00:0f.0: PME# disabled
>>>> [   11.242765] HDA Intel 0000:00:0f.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level, low) ->
>>>> IRQ 18
>>>> [   11.242865] HDA Intel 0000:00:0f.0: setting latency timer to 64
>>>>
>>>>  The PCI slot 00:0f.0 of the modem card may be disabled early in
>>>>  a bootup process,  but then enabled later. If modem drivers load
>>>>  but the  modem is not responsive, read DOCs/Bootup.txt about possible
>>>> fixes.
>>>>  Send dmesg.txt along with ModemData.txt to discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>  if help is needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ===== Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) diagnostics =====
>>>> The ALSA packages provide audio support and also drivers for some modems.
>>>> ALSA diagnostics are written during bootup to /proc/asound/ folders.
>>>>
>>>> The ALSA verion is 1.0.18
>>>> The modem cards detected by "aplay -l"  are:
>>>> tarjeta 0: SIS966 [HDA SIS966], dispositivo 6: Si3054 Modem [Si3054 Modem]
>>>>
>>>> The /proc/asound/pcm file reports:
>>>> -----------------------
>>>> 00-00: ALC660-VD Analog : ALC660-VD Analog : playback 1 : capture 1
>>>> 00-06: Si3054 Modem : Si3054 Modem : playback 1 : capture 1
>>>>
>>>> about /proc/asound/cards:
>>>> ------------------------
>>>>  0 [SIS966         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA SIS966
>>>>                       HDA SIS966 at 0xfddf8000 irq 18
>>>>
>>>>  PCI slot 00:0f.0 has a High Definition Audio Card
>>>>  The drivers are in the kernel modules tree at:
>>>>  /lib/modules/2.6.28-16-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
>>>> /lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
>>>>  The modem codec file for the HDA card is: /proc/asound/card0/codec#1
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Codec: Motorola Si3054
>>>> Address: 1
>>>> Vendor Id: 0x10573055
>>>> Subsystem Id: 0x10431316
>>>> Revision Id: 0x100700
>>>> Modem Function Group: 0x1
>>>>
>>>>  The audio card hosts a softmodem chip:  0x10573055
>>>>
>>>> The softmodem chip 0x10573055 is in principle supported by the COMM support
>>>> of slmodemd
>>>> and the joint snd-hda-intel audio+modem driver, begun with ALSA version
>>>> 1.0.13.
>>>> For HDA cards with ALC883 chips, an upgrade to ALSA verions 1.0.15 way be
>>>> necessary. Instructions for Upgrading snd-hda-intel and its dependent driver
>>>> set are at:
>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-eighth/msg00838.html
>>>>
>>>> If not a Conexant modem, the driver snd-hda-intel with its dependent
>>>> drivers:
>>>> snd_hda_intel         559028  6
>>>> snd_pcm                99464  4 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
>>>> snd                    78920  19
>>>> snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
>>>> snd_page_alloc         18704  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
>>>> ----------
>>>> provide audio + modem support with the modem chip residing on the subsystem.
>>>> Any particular card can host any one of several soft modem chips.
>>>>
>>>> === Finished firmware and bootup diagnostics, next deducing cogent software.
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Predictive  diagnostics for card in bus 00:0f.0:
>>>>     Modem chipset  detected on
>>>> NAME="Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio
>>>> Controller"
>>>> CLASS=0403
>>>> PCIDEV=1039:7502
>>>> SUBSYS=1043:1783
>>>> IRQ=18
>>>> HDA=1039:7502
>>>> SOFT=1039:7502.HDA
>>>> HDAchipVendorID=1057
>>>> CHIP=0x10573055
>>>> IDENT=slmodemd
>>>> SLMODEMD_DEVICE=hw:0,6
>>>> Driver=snd-hda-intel
>>>>
>>>>  For candidate modem in:  00:0f.0
>>>>    0403 Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio
>>>> Controller
>>>>       Primary device ID:  1039:7502
>>>>     Subsystem PCI_id  1043:1783
>>>>     Softmodem codec or chipset from diagnostics: 0x10573055
>>>>                                from    Archives:
>>>>                         The HDA card softmodem chip is 0x10573055
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Support type needed or chipset:    slmodemd supporting the snd-hda-intel
>>>> audio+modem driver
>>>>
>>>>  An ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) modem driver:  snd-hda-intel
>>>>  provides Low Level support enabling contact with the modem hardware.
>>>>  For all BUT Conexant chip soft modems (using hsfmodem software)
>>>>  complementary High Level support is through a Smartlink utility:  slmodemd
>>>>
>>>>  Download from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smartlink/
>>>>  the package SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz having a compiled slmodemd. Unpack under
>>>> Linux with:
>>>>      $ tar zxf SLMODEMD.gcc4.3.tar.gz
>>>>  and read instructions therein. But briefly, the modem is setup with
>>>> command:
>>>>      sudo slmodemd -c YOUR_COUNTRY --alsa hw:0,6
>>>>  reporting dynamic creation of ports:
>>>>     /dev/ttySL0 --> /dev/pts/N   , with N some number
>>>>  Read DOCs/Smartlink.txt and Modem/DOCs/YourSystem.txt for follow through
>>>> guidance.
>>>>
>>>> Writing DOCs/Smartlink.txt
>>>> ============ end Smartlink section =====================
>>>>
>>>>  Completed candidate modem analyses.
>>>>
>>>>  The base of the UDEV device file system is: /dev/.udev
>>>>
>>>>  Versions adequately match for the compiler installed: 4.3.3
>>>>              and the compiler used in kernel assembly: 4.3.3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Minimal compiling resources appear complete:
>>>>    make utility - /usr/bin/make
>>>>    Compiler version 4.3
>>>>    linuc_headers base folder /lib/modules/2.6.28-16-generic/build
>>>>
>>>>  However some compilations and executable functions may need additional
>>>> files,
>>>>  in the FileNames.h (so called kernel "h"eaders) collection installed in
>>>> /usr/include/ .
>>>>  For martian_modem, additional required packages are needed. The also
>>>> required headers of package libc6 are commonly installed by default.
>>>>  Compiling hsfmodem drivers does require linux-libc-dev and libc6-dev
>>>> packages, for kernels 2.6.24 and later versions.
>>>>  In not included on your install CD, search for them at
>>>> http://packages.ubuntu.com
>>>>  or comparable Repository for other Linux distros.
>>>>  When compiling ALSA drivers, the utility "patch" will also be needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If a driver compilation fails, with message including some lack of some
>>>> FileName.h (stdio.h for example), then
>>>> Some additional kernel-header files need installation to /usr/include. The
>>>> minimal additional packages are libc6-dev
>>>> and any of its dependents, under Ubuntu linux-libc-dev
>>>>
>>>> If an alternate ethernet connection is available,
>>>> $  apt-get update
>>>> $  apt-get -s install linux-kernel-devel
>>>> will install needed packages.
>>>> For Debian/Ubuntu related distributions, run the following command to
>>>> display the needed package list:
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise packages have to be found through http://packages.ubuntu.com
>>>> Once downloaded and transferred into a Linux partition,
>>>> they can be installed alltogether with:
>>>> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Checking pppd properties:
>>>>     -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dip 321600 2009-02-20 19:26 /usr/sbin/pppd
>>>>
>>>> In case of an "error 17" "serial loopback" problem, see:
>>>>     http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/linmodems/archive-sixth/msg02637.html
>>>>
>>>> To enable dialout without Root permission do:
>>>>     $ su - root  (not for Ubuntu)
>>>>         sudo chmod a+x /usr/sbin/pppd
>>>> or under Ubuntu related Linuxes
>>>>     sudo chmod a+x /usr/sbin/pppd
>>>>
>>>> Checking settings of:    /etc/ppp/options
>>>> asyncmap 0
>>>> noauth
>>>> crtscts
>>>> lock
>>>> hide-password
>>>> modem
>>>> proxyarp
>>>> lcp-echo-interval 30
>>>> lcp-echo-failure 4
>>>> noipx
>>>>
>>>> In case of a message like:
>>>>    Warning: Could not modify /etc/ppp/pap-secrets: Permission denied
>>>> see http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-sixth/msg04656.html
>>>>
>>>> Read Modem/DOCs/YourSystem.txt concerning other COMM channels: eth0 wlan0
>>>> wmaster0
>>>> Which can interfere with Browser naviagation.
>>>>
>>>>  Don't worry about the following, it is for experts should trouble shooting
>>>> be necessary.
>>>> ==========================================================
>>>>
>>>>  Checking for modem support lines:
>>>>  --------------------------------------
>>>>      /device/modem symbolic link:   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2009-11-01
>>>> 16:04 /dev/modem -> ttySL0
>>>> slmodemd created symbolic link /dev/ttySL0:  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10
>>>> 2009-11-01 16:04 /dev/ttySL0 -> /dev/pts/0
>>>>      Within /etc/udev/ files:
>>>>
>>>>      Within /etc/modprobe.conf files:
>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf:# Uncomment these entries in order to
>>>> blacklist unwanted modem drivers
>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf:# blacklist snd-atiixp-modem
>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf:# blacklist snd-via82xx-modem
>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
>>>> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
>>>>      Within any ancient /etc/devfs files:
>>>>
>>>>      Within ancient kernel 2.4.n /etc/module.conf files:
>>>>
>>>> --------- end modem support lines --------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for helping me.
>>>>
>>>>                                                       Alfredo
>>>>
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