On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 12:42:56AM +0200, Danilo Krummrich wrote: > On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 11:40:57AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 02:54:38PM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > > > > No, I do object to "we are ignoring the driver being proposed by the > > > developers involved for this hardware by adding to the old one instead" > > > which it seems like is happening here. > > > > That is too harsh. We've consistently taken a community position that > > OOT stuff doesn't matter, and yes that includes OOT stuff that people > > we trust and respect are working on. Until it is ready for submission, > > and ideally merged, it is an unknown quantity. Good well meaning > > people routinely drop their projects, good projects run into > > unexpected roadblocks, and life happens. > > That's not the point -- at least it never was my point. > > Upstream has set a strategy, and it's totally fine to raise concerns, discuss > them, look for solutions, draw conclusions and do adjustments where needed. We don't really do strategy in the kernel. This language is a bit off putting. Linux runs on community consensus and if any strategy exists it is reflected by the code actually merged. When you say things like this it comes across as though you are implying there are two tiers to the community. Ie those that set the strategy and those that don't. > But, we have to agree on a long term strategy and work towards the corresponding > goals *together*. I think we went over all the options already. IMHO the right one is for nova and vfio to share some kind of core driver. The choice of Rust for nova complicates planning this, but it doesn't mean anyone is saying no to it. My main point is when this switches from VFIO on nouveau to VFIO on Nova is something that needs to be a mutual decision with the VFIO side and user community as well. > So, when you say things like "go do Nova, have fun", it really just sounds like > as if you just want to do your own thing and ignore the existing upstream > strategy instead of collaborate and shape it. I am saying I have no interest in interfering with your project. Really, I read your responses as though you feel Nova is under attack and I'm trying hard to say that is not at all my intention. Jason
