> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kde [mailto:kde-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Duncan
> > Sent: 13 May 2015 05:46
> > To: kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: grouping tasks in taskbar
> >
> > Felix Miata posted on Tue, 12 May 2015 12:13:40 -0400 as excerpted:
> >
> > > Gunther Clasen composed on 2015-05-12 15:46 (UTC+0100):
> > >
> > >> I'm using kde 4.3.4 btw.
> > >
> > > I see according to distrowatch.com CentOS 6.6 was released with
> > > 4.3.4 only last October. That's puzzling. 4.3.4 is now more than
> > > five years old, rather new at its release, when KDE4 was quite buggy
> > > and lacking many KDE3 features.
> > > Likely grouping was broken or missing in 4.3.4. Try some distro with
> > > any more recent KDE4 version, or upgrading your KDE4 to something
> > > non-ancient.
> >
> > Indeed. I've argued all along that 4.2 was still alpha quality, 4.3
> > beta, (late) 4.4 rc, and (late) 4.5 /finally/ made it to reasonable
> > release quality. (Late 4.6 was reasonably stable except for kdepim,
> > but they continued supporting kdepim 4.4 thru 4.7 and into 4.8, and
> > 4.6 did change a lot, switching off of hal, etc, so 4.5 would have
> > been the version for LTR-stable releases to go with, with 4.4
> > kdepim.)
> >
> > Which would have been fine if 3.10 had remained supported thru 4.5, so
> > people could switch from release quality to release quality.
> > Unfortunately that didn't happen, as many kde devs were dropping
> > further development of 3.x, even for obvious bug fixes with patches
> > submitted, by 4.2, and by 4.3, upstream support for kde3 had
> > effectively disappeared, despite 4.3 being beta quality at best.
> >
> > So it's extremely puzzling that an LTR-stable release such as
> > RHE/CentOS would pick the still very beta kde 4.3, even five year
> > later. 4.5 with
> > 4.4 kdepim would have been a better choice. But I guess they default
> > to gnome anyway, and don't really care so much about kde. Oh, well...
> >
> > So indeed, for anything but trivial kde users who normally default to
> > some other desktop, I'd strongly recommend finding something with kde 4.5 at
> least.
> > Anything else and you really are using beta quality software at best.
> > It's simply not mature or polished, and that lack definitely shows.
> >
> > But... a kde user running CentOS 6.6 with a still effectively beta kde
> > 4.3, five years after 4.3's release and with 4.5 from a year later considered far
> better...
> > probably doesn't have much choice in the matter. They run what
> > they're given by the corporate/government/ university/whatever
> > overlords. So unfortunately there's likely not much chance to do
> > anything about it... except for change jobs/schools/whatever.
>
> That was a thumping good kick in the arse for the KDE developers, which I fully
> support. The first time I used KDE4 (forced to, as kde3 was no longer supported)
> on a (admittedly crappy) machine at home, I was so much upset about the
> quality (or lack of) of it that I nearly upgraded to MS windows. Knotify deamon
> basically killed it. Much as I appreciate the hard work the programmers do, kde4
> was a Major Fuck-Up (just my tuppence). Hopefully it goes better in the future.
>
> And yes, you are right: It's a corporate production machine. Clocks on linux
> releases go different. We just upgraded from Centos 4.7. That version suited me
> just fine, as it had kde3 on it. And no: redhat don't care about kde, that is also
> true.
>
> My linux machine at home running kde4 has hardly been switched on in the last
> year. KDE4 was a major driver for that. Maybe I should give it another go with a
> later version.
Forgot to ask: Is there a repository containing KDE 4.5 (or later) for CentOS 6.6? If so, please post a link. I couldn't find anything.
Cheers
Gunther
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