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> From: kde [mailto:kde-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Duncan
> Sent: 13 May 2015 05:46
> To: kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: grouping tasks in taskbar
>
> Felix Miata posted on Tue, 12 May 2015 12:13:40 -0400 as excerpted:
>
> > Gunther Clasen composed on 2015-05-12 15:46 (UTC+0100):
> >
> >> I'm using kde 4.3.4 btw.
> >
> > I see according to distrowatch.com CentOS 6.6 was released with 4.3.4
> > only last October. That's puzzling. 4.3.4 is now more than five years
> > old, rather new at its release, when KDE4 was quite buggy and lacking
> > many KDE3 features.
> > Likely grouping was broken or missing in 4.3.4. Try some distro with
> > any more recent KDE4 version, or upgrading your KDE4 to something
> > non-ancient.
>
> Indeed. I've argued all along that 4.2 was still alpha quality, 4.3 beta, (late) 4.4
> rc, and (late) 4.5 /finally/ made it to reasonable release quality. (Late 4.6 was
> reasonably stable except for kdepim, but they continued supporting kdepim 4.4
> thru 4.7 and into 4.8, and 4.6 did change a lot, switching off of hal, etc, so 4.5
> would have been the version for LTR-stable releases to go with, with 4.4
> kdepim.)
>
> Which would have been fine if 3.10 had remained supported thru 4.5, so people
> could switch from release quality to release quality.
> Unfortunately that didn't happen, as many kde devs were dropping further
> development of 3.x, even for obvious bug fixes with patches submitted, by 4.2,
> and by 4.3, upstream support for kde3 had effectively disappeared, despite 4.3
> being beta quality at best.
>
> So it's extremely puzzling that an LTR-stable release such as RHE/CentOS would
> pick the still very beta kde 4.3, even five year later. 4.5 with
> 4.4 kdepim would have been a better choice. But I guess they default to gnome
> anyway, and don't really care so much about kde. Oh, well...
>
> So indeed, for anything but trivial kde users who normally default to some other
> desktop, I'd strongly recommend finding something with kde 4.5 at least.
> Anything else and you really are using beta quality software at best. It's simply
> not mature or polished, and that lack definitely shows.
>
> But... a kde user running CentOS 6.6 with a still effectively beta kde 4.3, five
> years after 4.3's release and with 4.5 from a year later considered far better...
> probably doesn't have much choice in the matter. They run what they're given
> by the corporate/government/ university/whatever overlords. So unfortunately
> there's likely not much chance to do anything about it... except for change
> jobs/schools/whatever.
That was a thumping good kick in the arse for the KDE developers, which I fully support. The first time I used KDE4 (forced to, as kde3 was no longer supported) on a (admittedly crappy) machine at home, I was so much upset about the quality (or lack of) of it that I nearly upgraded to MS windows. Knotify deamon basically killed it. Much as I appreciate the hard work the programmers do, kde4 was a Major Fuck-Up (just my tuppence). Hopefully it goes better in the future.
And yes, you are right: It's a corporate production machine. Clocks on linux releases go different. We just upgraded from Centos 4.7. That version suited me just fine, as it had kde3 on it. And no: redhat don't care about kde, that is also true.
My linux machine at home running kde4 has hardly been switched on in the last year. KDE4 was a major driver for that. Maybe I should give it another go with a later version.
Cheers
Gunther
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