I agree entirely about the sudo distro's. In many respects these look to be more
extreme than even windoze. Sudo is there to control what a sudoer can do and is
probably being used like that as well. Going on redhat a root user is also a
reason for charging significantly more for a desktop set up.
My disappointments mainly come from 2 aspects.
The paths I am trying to use do work on kde and do not require explicit mounting
and are extremely easy to set up but aren't allowed to work. There doesn't seem
to be any logical reason for this. The connection unlike samba etc which is
amazingly slow is also set up immediately and access is just like using a local
disc - again unlike samba the first time it's used from within an application.
Even working down a series if directories is amazingly slow at this point.
The other one relates to backends etc and ipv6. While nosing around on Vista I
found an interesting window that suggests that it's capable of determining for
it self just how usable ipv6 is and automatically selecting either ipv4 or 6 as
needed. It's not perfect as I set up an ipv6 dns service ip via my router and
it's using it for ipv4 and left the space for an ipv6 dns service blank. One
thing for sure though it's more ready than linux is where ok the kernel will do
either but that's it. Distro's are even sent out set up to use ipv6 by default..
Pointless given the number of available ipv6 servers. The main aspect here is
that windozeis far more ipv6 ready than linux distro's are.
Basically the middle layer between the kernel and the desktop isn't functionally
evolving at all. All that is happing is different ways are being used to achieve
exactly the same thing. It's also possible to use the same argument against
desktops themselves.
John
----- Original Message ----
> From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx>
> To: kde@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 12:56:35
> Subject: Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network
>
> John Woodhouse posted on Sat, 28 May 2011 02:26:40 -0700 as excerpted:
>
> > Disappointed to too weak a word but as mentioned feelings like that in
> > my case do not just relate to kde but other aspects of linux as well. I
> > have always hoped that linux plus kde would become one of the major
> > installations alongside mac and windoze. It has lead the way in some
> > respects in the past but now I feel it is falling behind and in some
> > areas, not kde, is showing strong signs of not evolving at all where as
> > windoze is.
>
> It has seemed, lately, as if people are giving up on the "power-user"
> Linux desktop. Of course Linux in the form of Android is going great guns
> in mobiles, and Linux continues to be strong in servers and seriously
> dominates the HPC/supercomputer market. And there's still the Ubuntus and
> Fedora/Gnomes of the world going for the "hide the controls, here come the
> l-users, and we'd not want them to hurt themselves!" desktop segment. But
> for those not afraid of a good configuration dialog... kde may have its
> problems, but perhaps unfortunately, at least at the full-feature end, it
> remains the only really viable choice.
>
> Fortunately for me, I've always tended to be a bleeding edge beta kind of
> user (which was what so frustrated me when kde was saying 4.2 and 4.3 were
> ready for normal users, when they were giving even this seriously leading
> edge beta guy problems that would have had him putting it off a few more
> versions... if kde wasn't at the same time dropping support for the truly
> mature and stable 3.x, forcing the issue, at the same time -- they were
> calling a clear alpha, not even beta quality, ready for normal use, while
> at the same time pulling the rug out from the real stable version and its
> users!), so I'm I'm not too terribly uncomfortable with all this, and have
> bisected, bug reported, and applied patches, to prove it. So unless the
> trend of the last couple releases continues downward, I'm used to having
> to work around and bisect/bug-report/apply-patches, no big deal, and I'll
> be fine. But it was /nice/ to be finally able to honestly recommend the
> later 4.5 series to other more normal users, and I *MISS* the ability to
> be able to do so! =:^(
>
> The second most viable alternative, and it's a way down the list for me
> but honestly I'd be looking at it if I hadn't already invested the time in
> switching to kde4, would have to be to "go light", with enlightenment or
> lxde or some such. From what I've read, enlightenment at least is quite
> configurable, tho of course far less full-featured and much more bare-
> bones than the full ecosystem that kde tends to provide.
>
> > I also assume that people do of course appreciate that home networks and
> > even nas's are increasingly popular even if they do not use them. These
> > are also fundamental to enterprise level use.
>
> Certainly so. I just found your statement that kde was only fit for a toy
> based on that alone... overly broad on overly narrow. Widen the LAN/NAS
> case to the entire scope of kde and its bugs and regressions, and I
> believe the case is defensible, or conversely, qualify/narrow-down the
> "toy" claim with either a "for me" or even a "for heavily network
> dependent users", and I can't argue with it either. It was just the broad-
> on-narrow case that you happened to use, that I had problems with.
>
> --
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> and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
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