Just to complete the tale in the hope that it will do some good somewhere.
I have managed to get vlc to run with files on the nas via open with and a click
launch. 1st I enabled kde auto mount but this didn't achieve anything and the
problems remained. I then enable NFS on the nas and that has provided a solution
except vlc itself can not open or save a file to the nas. This is clearly down
to KDE, error messages when they are available are "you can only select local
files". This should be prevented by the smb,http etc enable options in the dot
desktop file. These are correct in vlc's case but KDE will still not allow
access. I would have thought that it would be better all round to use these to
bar paths rather than enable them if they are really needed.
Kwrite and maybe other strict K applications works perfectly with files on the
nas just from a connection made with dolphin. The connection is also retained
between re boots etc. Trouble is many apps most people use are not strict K
applications. Some however look to use an instance of dolphin for file
management - that's seems likely to be the problem as it routes file accesses
straight through kde.
On the way to the auto mount + nfs part solution I tried dragging an nas avi
onto a VLC window. Nothing happens. To get round that I created a desktop VLC
icon. When I dragged the avi onto that it played but the plasma shell came up
with an error message "sorry can't find file". It played anyway. If I drag a
local file onto a VLC window it plays which indicates that launching like that
is not a problem with qt4 applications.
There are some indications that the part working arrangement with auto mount +
nas is still using cif for file loads. A side issue with NFS is that the auto
load extends the time that the desktop is dead following a log in rather
alarmingly. This and super slow samba seem to be down to not being able to enter
an ip address for the server. This can be done when dolphin is used to connect
to a microsoft network drive so it's a lot quicker. Trouble it that auto mount
takes no notice of the fact that this connection has been made.
It seems from nosing around that problems in this area are occurring with
servers other than a nas as well.
I have filed a bug via novell on this. I feel that kde has little credibility
for anything other than toy use while this aspect is like this. Seems that gnome
may not have the same problem.
Haven't looked closely but ark seems a trifle confused.
On a bright note multimedia if it can be loaded is streamed. Some reports
indicate full downloads before playing.
John
----- Original Message ----
> From: John Woodhouse <a_johnlonger@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: kde@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Mon, 23 May, 2011 22:43:53
> Subject: Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network
>
> Looking a little further the error messages and problems are clearly down to
> kde. May be one or more of several k .so files. Some even carry 2 copies of
>the
>
> error message and then there are the .mo files.
>
>
> Also note the following.
>
> Click on an mp3 on the nas and it plays in amarok. Try to use the load as part
>
> of a play list and amarok can't do anything with the play list. It can't load
> media off the nas either.
>
> Copy and rpm to the nas and click install with yast and up pops yast and
> complains because it's not running as root. The launch bypasses the root
>login.
>
> Unbelievable, might be opensuse.
>
> Edit a text file on the nas with Kwrite and it can be changed and saved but no
>
> backup file is generated. Can also save a new file to the nas. Oh so close.
>
> If I copy an office file onto the nas and click on it Libre loads it. Editing
> the file and saving it appears to work but doesn't. The file remains the same.
>
> If I try and save a new file to the nas I get "can only select local files".
>
>
> I'm sure I could find many more and maybe going on kwrite some may even work.
>
> Given the bug mentioned before I can't help wondering what is going on. A file
>
> is a file is a file and clearly going on kwrite the paths do work. They also
> work one way or partly with most of them. Kaffeine expects an input pluging -
>I
>
> suspect as there is no such thing available that this is old code from long
>ago
>
> piping up. kde3-kaffeine does the same thing as well. The only plugin is for
> mozilla. VLC is known to work off a nas but doesn't. It works perfectly
>locally
>
> and lacks the codec problems of others.
>
> As to a nas. D-Link are an upfront company. Samba is happy with it as is
>windoze
>
> but samba suffers the same problems. On the bright note samba take ages to
>find
>
> the server each time it's accessed for the first time from any app and I do
>mean
>
> ages. I assume this could be fixed if it was possible to give it a direct ip
> address. The dolphin link goes straight in no messing about and it's just like
>
> using the local drive. Samba is slower.
>
> I'm having difficulty getting my head round the reasoning for .desktop files
> containing such things as smb as mentioned in the bug. All apps usually care
>
> about is the type of file not where it is. I suppose these could be used to
> control what an instance of a file manager shows but in this particular
>respect
>
> that makes little sense and most show all. There is no earthly reason for
> preventing an app from accessing a local samba/windoze/na server. In this case
>
> from the above it looks like there might even be multiple app level file
> managers. Maybe some one can explain complete with reasons. I'm really
>curious.
>
> Out of interest I ran VLC as root and was asked if I trust it!!! I said yes
>but
>
> it still wouldn't start. I suspect that a root desktop is now impossible same
> silly reasoning. It's far easier for many many people to screw up the system
> from the shell - just a little harder to find out how to do it - which makes
>it
>
> far easier to mess up.
>
> John
>
> PS Poor old konq isn't even aware of the network even now samba is installed.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> > From: John Woodhouse <a_johnlonger@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: kde@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Sun, 22 May, 2011 23:26:07
> > Subject: Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network
> >
> > This is beginning to look like a bug that maybe should spread. I have been
> > playing around with amarok which seemed to work with files off the nas. If I
>
> > launch click an mp3 on the nas all is ok. It plays but if I try to generate
>a
>
>
> > play list with it it fails to play them again. If I navigate to the nas via
>
> > amarok and select an mp3 it won't accept it. So it looks like for some
>reason
>
>
> > kde is passing it a file when an mp3 is launched. I don't think they are
>being
>
> >
> > downloaded before playing otherwise the playlist should still work.
> >
> >
> > I wonder if this all relates to this "bug" https://bugs.kde.org/253547.
>Biggest
>
> >
> > problem with that is that the X-KDE-Protocols shown there are correct in my
>
> >VLC
> >
> > .desktop file. Amarok only has http added.
> >
> > It doesn't work either way with VLC despite it having a files input which
> > includes an increased buffer time for use over the network. I'm not sure if
>
> >it's
> >
> > "can only open local files" when one is selected off the nas error message
>is
>
>
> > down to kde or what.
> >
> > John
> > KDE 4.6.0 - 6 64bit
> > ___________________________________________________
> > This message is from the kde mailing list.
> > Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde.
> > Archives: http://lists.kde.org/.
> > More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
> >
> ___________________________________________________
> This message is from the kde mailing list.
> Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde.
> Archives: http://lists.kde.org/.
> More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
>
___________________________________________________
This message is from the kde mailing list.
Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde.
Archives: http://lists.kde.org/.
More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
