Perhaps I am a little disappointed Duncan which is likely to affect my tone when
I write something like that. The reasons for my general feelings actually go a
lot further than just kde. Anyway on this specific point a desktop is very
dependent on it;'s underlying functionality. Most aim to be rolled out at an
enterprise level at some point. In this case there is an excellent improvement
added via dolphin but it can't really be used. Why goes back to that old kde bug
I posted earlier where it is stated that WE must know what paths and application
can use or words to that effect.. My reaction to that can be summed up with a
single word - really? I also wonder why it's there now even if it is needed.
It's just something else that can and has been broken.
Disappointed to too weak a word but as mentioned feelings like that in my case
do not just relate to kde but other aspects of linux as well. I have always
hoped that linux plus kde would become one of the major installations alongside
mac and windoze. It has lead the way in some respects in the past but now I feel
it is falling behind and in some areas, not kde, is showing strong signs of not
evolving at all where as windoze is.
I also assume that people do of course appreciate that home networks and even
nas's are increasingly popular even if they do not use them. These are also
fundamental to enterprise level use.
Over and out on this topic. I have filed a bug and live in hope that something
will be done about it. Trouble is I have a feeling that if it is fixed it might
end up to be like using oh so slow samba. From the system level set up routines
NFS connections will be like that as well. I would hope that the ability to
assign fixed ip address is retained. The lack of that elsewhere came as a bit of
a surprise.
;-) I've even looked at some kde code documentation. I would need more than I
could quickly find to make any use of it. As would most people I suspect.. Maybe
there are some overviews some where.
John
----- Original Message ----
> From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx>
> To: kde@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 1:31:15
> Subject: Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network
>
> John Woodhouse posted on Fri, 27 May 2011 15:42:24 -0700 as excerpted:
>
> > It seems from nosing around that problems in this area are occurring
> > with servers other than a nas as well.
> >
> > I have filed a bug via novell on this. I feel that kde has little
> > credibility for anything other than toy use while this aspect is like
> > this.
>
> Had you kept the "toy use" claim general, I might have felt it justifiable
> as there's arguably a lot of people that consider kde4 just that, fit for
> toy use only, due to all sorts of both still unresolved kde4 issues and
> now even SERIOUS REGRESSIONS (like the 4.6.3 konqueror double-requests-
> regression, making konqueror AGAIN unsuitable for use by anyone serious
> about conducting financial transactions using their browser -- this on top
> of the encryption cert management issues just recently getting to a
> tolerable, if not yet ideal, state, and the proxy issues that confounded
> many users earlier, and that's just one set of serious bugs in one major
> application!) in the middle of what's SUPPOSED to be a stable upgrade
> series.
>
> But narrowing it down to one specific usage case, LAN access, weakens your
> case to the point I really can't agree with the broad claim made on that
> basis alone. Certainly, there are all sorts of "non-toy" users, depending
> on kde for everyday use, that don't use the LAN functionality you're
> complaining about (and I'm one of them), just as there are all sorts of
> users that gave up on konqueor long ago and now use firefox or chromium/
> chrome or opera or..., for which the konqueor bugs I just mentioned don't
> make kde4 only fit for use as a toy.
>
> While I do believe the case can be well argued that kde4 is only fit for
> toy use in general, due to all sorts of bugs and regressions of which
> we've discussed two sets of examples, I can't agree that any specific bug
> alone makes kde4 only credible for use as a toy, because that's an
> EXTREMELY broad claim based on a VERY SPECIFIC use case, one that not ALL
> "serious" (if that's what we call the non-toy class) users are going to
> have.
>
> Alternatively, had you specifically qualified the claim as "for my own
> usage" or the like, then the "toy" class only usage claim could be valid,
> since who's going to argue with someone about their own usage?
>
> But as it is, by implication, you just called everyone that doesn't happen
> to use KDE on a LAN a "toy class" user, and that's a **VERY** big (and
> indeed quite offensive) claim to defend indeed! I obviously take a rather
> big personal exception to THAT claim!
>
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