As a plain user i would like to be able to better isolate my desktop problems, as they occur. therefore i would appreciate an effort to improve this To my knowledge, currently users get informations about how system is working only from the .xsession-errors file, that is flooded with completely useless messages as "QPainter::begin: Painter is already active. You must end() the painter before a second begin()" that cannot be stopped, while lacking informations about what is going on when troubles occur. Is there a way, with kde3, to get more informations from the system? Will kde4 be smarter and more informative? Here are a few recent issues for which i wasn't able to get enough informations: - The kicker freezes due to unknown interactions with amarok. As i kill amarok, the kicker activity is restored. - Kmail freezes while reading my inbox through the local imap server (dovecot) - The only thing i can do is to kill and restart kmail. - Logging out freezes. The only thing i can do is to kill xsession with Alt-Ctrl-Bksp - Recovering the latter session, as logging in, works satisfactorily, but sometimes something is altered: missing applets, windows are not in the original desktop place. thank you -- Pol ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.