Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@xxxxxx> wrote: >> "Standardisation processes are advised to include a consultation >> phase with government and industry policy makers, and civil society >> experts." > As noted by several people here, the governements don't ask for a > voice (they already have it) but for a power of decision. One can > imagine what would have happened of RFC 1984 in such "consultation". I have regularly asked my (gc.ca) government why they aren't regularly involved in the IETF. My "standards council of canada", is totally captured by 1980 era ITU-types. Many are sure that the OSI stack is running the Internet. 1990s, and 2010s government "purges" mean that there is bimodal age distribution: internet-clueless boomer with power, and internet-first millenial with no power. That is changing due to retirements, unfortunately, the smartest "boomers" are the ones taking early retirement. I point to US NIST, ISI, and how NSF has supported Internet things, and our agencies do really dumb things. (Like the university researcher who was funded for more than a year to discover how MGCP was insecure) I have also pointed out, that as an *operator* of a network with a spend of about $1B-CDN/year (closer to $3B-CDN/year if you count all IT spending, much of which have hidden network spends), I need to ask: why aren't you behaving like an operator? NANOG, ARIN. They do show up a IETF meetings, when they are in Canada, but they don't read the ML. Canada's CSIS researchers are actually starting to do IETF security protocol reviews. This is a *significant* step forward. I suspect it is the result of above mentioned boomer retirement. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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