Hi, Pete,
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 1:30 PM Pete Resnick <resnick@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 26 Mar 2020, at 12:54, Salz, Rich wrote:
>> I didn't understand your words, but subsequent emails make me think
>> you are
> saying:
> 107 occured.
> People who signed bluesheets on more than one day
> attended.
>
> Mostly. I want to get the largest pool of candidates.
>
> So 107 is a Heisenberg meeting.
> People who signed the etherpad on more than one day get to count 107
> in 3 of 5.
> People who did not, get counted from 102-106 for their 3 of 5.
>
> I realize that defining a Heisenmeeting would probably make some
> people uncomfortable. But I view it as just accepting the reality.
If we really want the largest pool of candidates, I don't think we have
to be so cute; just make it 3 of 6 for the 2020-2021 NomCom only and
define "attendance" for IETF 107. Bob Hinden convinced me that since 107
had so few sessions, it's not useful to just treat it as a normal
meeting, and 3 of 6 solves that issue. We seem to have some momentum
toward dealing with remote participation generally, so really the only
NomCom for which we have to worry about making rules immediately is the
2020-2021 NomCom. So let's just write a soon-to-be-obsolete BCP that
says:
A. IETF 107 became a remote meeting at the last minute and therefore had
minimal sessions scheduled and less-than-average attendance.
B. For the 2020-2021 NomCom, we don't want the above fact to interfere
with NomCom eligibility.
C. Therefore, with regard to the 2020-2021 NomCom selection, IETF 107
hereby qualifies as an "IETF meeting" for purposes of Volunteer
Qualification in RFC 8713 Section 4.14.
D. For purposes of Volunteer Qualification in RFC 8713 Section 4.14,
"attended" and "attendance" at IETF 107 is defined as having one's name
on the Etherpad attendance list or being in the recorded Webex
participant list of any X sessions held remotely at IETF 107.
[Personally, I couldn't care less what X is; any X>=1 is fine with me.]
E. With regard to the 2020-2021 NomCom selection, in the Volunteer
Qualification of RFC 8713 Section 4.14 is three out of the last six
meetings instead of three out of the last five. As in RFC 8713 Section
4.14, the six meetings are the six most recent meetings that ended prior
to the date on which the solicitation for NomCom volunteers was
submitted for distribution to the IETF community.
That sounds right to me.
There is a bit more cleanup to do - we also need to make sure IETF 107 counted as the First Meeting of 2020, in the https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7437#section-1 sense, because we seated a whole bunch of new leadership yesterday, in the middle of what Rich Salz is reasonably calling a Heisenmeeting.
But, yes, this, as long as we have a complete checklist of what needs to be redefined in 2020.
Best,
Spencer
Then we clean things up with a proper BCP that defines eligibility for
remote participants, and obsolete the above.
pr
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