Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)

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To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
From: Joseph Touch <touch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 21:00:36 -0800
Cc: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
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On Feb 27, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

That IPSEC is a failure as a VPN standard is not an opinion, it is a fact. Every VPN vendor developed their own work-around for the AH debacle and as a result, the built in clients in Windows and Mac are rarely able to connect to an IPSEC VPN.

I’ll have to stop using them then. Pity.

Meanwhile, SSH just works.

See RFC4953, Section 5.3.

Application layer security is not enough.

Joe

References:
- Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
  - From: Fernando Gont
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
  - From: Tom Herbert
- Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
  - From: Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
  - From: Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
  - From: Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
  - From: Keith Moore
- Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
  - From: Phillip Hallam-Baker

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