It seems inevitable that any discussion of meeting logistics will devolve into a discussion of presentations during working group sessions. At this point I think this pattern goes back several decades and while there are some working groups that manage meeting time, and particularly discussion, very well, in general I doubt very much anything is going to change without structural changes to how we meet. It would be excellent to see some proposals around that. I have been in some sessions where discussion and participation by remote participants went very well. I don't have a sense of how well that would scale, but I do think that managing multiple queues is likely to get messy and may lead to some participants feeling as if they've been treated unfairly. Melinda -- Melinda Shore melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx Software longa, hardware brevis