On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 08:31:15PM -0800, Randy Bush wrote: > i know this is terribly old fashioned and silly of me. but some see > roles as public service for the good of the internet. and some of us > are spoiled brats whose employers support them willy nilly. My take: The only way to prove that there is no conflict of interest is when i can prove that i will harm my own interests through what i do. Maybe a reference to Exodus 22:28. That was fun. Now, can we move beyond sillyness ? I hope that most participants in IETF honestly think that what they work towards is not morally evil, but many of us hopefully are also aware that our work is in support of one of potentially multiple competing commercial options whose outcomes do impact revenue and market experience of different group of market participants. Politicians are regularily accused of COI when they change from/to a job in the industry that relates to their political work, so they do not even do both things in parallel like most of us do. Let me repeat my original question: I want user stories: What would be a good reference example for the most minor COI that one should be concerned about in an IAB candidate/member ? Toerless