Re: [ietf-smtp] epostage is still a bad idea, the inedible parts of IETF dogfood consumption - SMTP version

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On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, George Michaelson wrote:
IF we had implemented sender-pays, the SPAM problem would be radically
different. It would still be there, and the existence proof is SMS
spam.

I wrote a white paper on e-postage in 2004. Nothing has changed since then other than that some of the numbers would have a few more zeros.

https://www.taugh.com/epostage.pdf

tl;dr:

Nobody knows how to run a payment system for billions of messages a day

Nobody knows how to pay for a payment system for billions of messages a day

Nobody knows how to manage a payment system for billions of messages a day

Typical problem: botnet takes over Grandma's computer and sends a spam blast. Does she pay the postage? If not, who does? If the answer is nobody does, how is that an e-postage system? Keep in mind that every spammer in the world will claim to be a botted grandmother (many already do.)

R's,
John

PS: The current STIR/SHAKEN mess reminds us that settlements in the phone system no longer work either.




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