Yes, the whole "tools" effort started as a volunteer team (set up when Harald was IETF Chair, I think) and that fact that tools.ietf.org has become the site favoured by the major search engines** is a big win for collaboration rather than top-down control. ** I checked Google, DuckDuckGo, Bing and Yahoo for rfc1234. tools.ietf.org came first each time. Regards Brian Carpenter On 09-Aug-19 04:26, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi, > > On 2019-08-07 20:38, Richard Barnes wrote: >> As an added benefit, datatracker and tools are controlled by the IESG, so >> the changes can be deployed there without needing to trouble the RFC editor. > > Since 2004, tools.ietf.org has been running on hardware donated by me or > donated to me by others for the purpose or running tools.ietf.org. The > same goes for the hosting. > > I've written all the software in my off time over the years, as a pro bono > activity. There's been basically no new development over the last 3 years, > though; I've simply not had free time to put into that. > > During the last few years, the IETF has provided a little bit of money for > some maintenance backup (a different person standing by when I'm travelling > or offline, and also doing routine server maintenance tasks, a few hours a > month). > > The IESG has no say on what I do and don't on tools.ietf.org, except that > over the years I've always tried to be responsive to ideas from the > community -- after all, everything that is on tools.ietf.org I've been > doing _for_ the community. > > > Regards, > > Henrik >