Hi, I'm now an ISOC employee and not speaking for it. I was not an ISOC employee at the time of the stuff I will mention below, which is relevant to this discussion. On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 01:20:35PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > when i was on the iaoc, it did performance review and salary recco for > iad. When I was on the IAOC, in different roles, we were supposed to do that but found we couldn't. This is because in fact the IETF and by extension the IAOC had no formal place in the ISOC corporate structure and therefore could not even plausibly be included in the management chain of ISOC. So, bizarrely, we were in a situation where we were supposed to evaluate someone's performance without reference to the performance goals or evaluation as previously agreed, because those were employment documents and therefore protected under applicable law. Indeed, this wart in the IAOC-supervises-IAD arrangement was prominent (at least for me) in the list of things to address during the IASA 2 discussions (so it's not the first time I've mentioned it). In my opinion, they were so addressed during the creation of the LLC. I am aware that earlier periods of the IAOC relationship was less structured and perhaps less rigid about the handling of documents like this. One of the things about organizations that get older, more mature, and that have more money in the bank is that they start to evaluate risk differently, and that may be part of what happened in this case (I don't know, since I wasn't responsible for the handling of these documents). But I found I definitely had a problem in undertaking my duty. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx