Thanks to everybody for the discussions. I agree with Jari, BTW, that the IANA arrangement is *currently* working well. But I'll quote myself: "Yet the world has moved on dramatically and the IETF is no longer operating in the environment for which its present arrangements were designed." Leif's point that "digital identitiy development moved away" is one example among many of how the Internet standards space is immensely more complex (and important) than it was 20+ years ago. I think the IETF needs to be modest about its own importance in this new world. Regards Brian On 16-Jul-19 08:54, Jari Arkko wrote: > Re: state actors and their desire to control standards and other things. > > Yes, of course, and when I said “stable” I didn’t mean that we shouldn’t watch out for potential disruptions coming from several possible angles. > > E.g., potential efforts to influence or mandate specific standards, perhaps in the area of end-to-end security :-) Or the use operational obligations of various Internet services to random five eye nations in the other side of the world, but not naming any country by name :-) We do need to watch for this, and if needed, change what we do or react/join campaigns to help ensure the Internet works well. Where we can. IANA is just a small piece of that overall picture, but the IAB IANA program is there precisely to watch that situation carefully. IAB as a whole has also tracked and participated in some of the other discussions. > > Jari > > . >