Hi Lou
Hi Victor, FWIW I think you are setting precedent without necessity - only voting members choose, non-voting members advise.
I agree. The relevant operative text is Section 4.17 of RFC 7437:
The Chair randomly selects the 10 voting volunteers from the pool of names of volunteers and announces the members of the nominating committee.
No more than two volunteers with the same primary affiliation may be selected for the nominating committee. The Chair reviews the primary affiliation of each volunteer selected by the method in turn. If the primary affiliation for a volunteer is the same as two previously selected volunteers, that volunteer is removed from consideration and the method is repeated to identify the next eligible volunteer.
It’s clear from the procedure that the input is the voting volunteers, the method is the random selection method, and that the chair’s test for primary affiliation occurs at this point in the process. Furthermore, a cornerstone of the process is that the only elements in the process one cannot determine in advance are the PRNG inputs, and by no means the selection policy.
I actually like Victor’s and Scott’s approach, as it would further limit influence of any one organization. However, if the rule is to change, then 7437 should first be updated.
Eliot
On July 8, 2019 2:35:15 AM Victor Kuarsingh <victor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Loa, All,
Upon a discussion with Scott who is serving as the previous chair (whom fills in as chair should I not be able to continue), I decided to include both Scott (Ericsson), and Victor (Oracle) to be counted towards the affiliation target. The Chair is a very active member of the Nomcom committee and therefore we felt that we would apply the rule to ourselves as well.
Our goal is to ensure there is a fair process with as little bias as possible. With reference to Appendix B sec. 5 of RFC 7437, we decided to include ourselves as part of the “Nominating committee” members for the purposes of selection and max affiliation members.
Regards,
Victor Kuarsingh Nomcom. Chair 2019 - 2020
On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 6:16 PM Loa Andersson < loa@xxxxx> wrote: Russ,
I thought so too,
ARM Limited, Altmode Networks, Oracle and Futurewei are not
Ericsson.
/Loa
On 2019-07-07 17:58, Russ Housley wrote:
> Victor:
>
> Please check your results. I ran the random seeds, and I get the same set of numbers, but I do not think that Borje Ohlman should have been dropped. Borje is the second person associated with Ericsson, not the third.
>
> Russ
>
>
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 11:09 AM, NomCom Chair 2019 <nomcom-chair-2019@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> I am announcing the results of the randomness selection process for the 2019-2020 NomCom. The results are as shown below. Three people were disqualified due to company weighting per RFC 7437 which we are limiting to two (2) members from any one primary affiliation.
>>
>> # First/Last Name - Affiliation - Selection Order
>> —————————————————————————————
>> 57. Hannes Tschofenig - ARM Limited - 1
>> 163. Wassim Haddad - Ericsson - 2
>> 74. Jim Fenton - Altmode Networks - 3
>> 45. Eric McMurry - Oracle - 4
>> 42. Donald Eastlake - Futurewei Technologies - 5
>> 85. Lars Eggert - Netapp - 7
>> 12. Bernie Hoeneisen - Ucom.ch / pEp - 8
>> 92. Linda Dunbar - Futurewei Technologies - 10
>> 75. Job Snijders - NTT - 11
>> 97. Marie-Jose Montpetit - Triangle Video - 12
>>
>> Disqualified selections are noted below:
>>
>> 17. Borje Ohlman - Ericsson (Maximum Number of 2 for Ericsson reached) - 6th in randomness order
>> 29. Daniel Migault - Ericsson (Maximum Number of 2 for Ericsson reached) - 9th in randomness order
>> 14. Bing (Remy) Liu - Huawei (Maximum Number of 2 for Futurewei or Huawei reached) - 12th in randomness order
>>
>> With this announcement, a one week challenge period starts wherein the community may challenge the results to the NomCom Chair (in writing, email is fine). See RFC 7437, Section 4.17 for details.
>>
>> I will be contacting the selected volunteers to ensure they remain willing and available to serve.
>>
>> Random selection data used:
>>
>> EuroMillions Lottery Results
>> https://www.euro-millions.com/results
>> Friday, July 5, 2019
>> Results: https://www.euro-millions.com/results/05-07-2019
>>
>> Results: 2 9 20 34 42 6 9
>>
>> MLB Major League Basement (“Score, Hits and Errors"), Result of the Orioles vs. Blue Jays game scheduled for Friday, July 5, 2019 at 7:07 PM
>> https://www...mlb.com/gameday/orioles-vs-blue-jays/2019/07/05/566909#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=566909
>>
>> Results: 4 6 0 1 4 1
>>
>> Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation Lotto 649
>> Saturday, July 6, 2019 Results:
>> https://lottery.olg.ca/en-ca/winning-numbers/lotto-649/winning-numbers?startDate=2019-07-05&endDate=2019-07-07
>> (7 Numbers including the bonus ball: 6 numbers between 1 and 49 and one bonus ball between 1 and 49)
>>
>> Results: 10 28 38 39 40 43 45
>>
>> Powerball Lottery Results
>> http://www.powerball.com/games/powerball
>> Saturday, July 6, 2019
>>
>> Results: 04 08 23 46 65 01
>>
>> Victor Kuarsingh
>> victor at jvknet dot com
>> nomcom-chair-2019 at ietf dot org
>>
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