Re: Nomcom 2019-2020: Result of random selection process

[Ted Lemon <mellon@xxxxxxxxx>]

I think complaining about this is silly. We have a large set of candidates. I’ve volunteered for non-combatant every year for a long time but never been selected. I see several people on nomcom who have served before. So to my mind, if we have a problem, it is not that we are being too careful to avoid CoI, but rather that the process isn’t producing enough diversity. 

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On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:05 AM, Eric Gray <eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Fair warning, I am an Ericsson employee – hence my opinion may not be as objective as some.

 

The precedent you are setting is one that leads down a slippery slope.  Would you eliminate one of the selected members if the advisory position from IESG – for example – was filled by someone who made a 3^rd from the same employer?

 

As it is, you exclude someone who works for the same company as another person who was the chair in a previous year.  And you did this twice in selecting 10 people.

 

The fact that this happened is an indication (at least to me) of the fact that a fair number of Ericsson folks were feeling motivated and responsible enough to volunteer and this precedent might be seen as discouraging that behavior.

 

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Eric

 

From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Lou Berger
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 6:36 AM
To: Victor Kuarsingh <victor@xxxxxxxxxx>; Loa Andersson <loa@xxxxx>
Cc: NomCom Chair 2019 <nomcom-chair-2019@xxxxxxxx>; IETF <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Nomcom 2019-2020: Result of random selection process

 

Hi Victor,

FWIW I think you are setting precedent without necessity - only voting members choose, non-voting members advise.

Lou

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On July 8, 2019 2:35:15 AM Victor Kuarsingh <victor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Loa, All,

 

Upon a discussion with Scott who is serving as the previous chair (whom fills in as chair should I not be able to continue),  I decided to include both Scott (Ericsson), and Victor (Oracle) to be counted towards the affiliation target.  The Chair is a very active member of the Nomcom committee and therefore we felt that we would apply the rule to ourselves as well.

 

Our goal is to ensure there is a fair process with as little bias as possible.  With reference to Appendix B sec. 5 of RFC 7437, we decided to include ourselves as part of the “Nominating committee” members for the purposes of selection and max affiliation members.

 

Regards,

 

Victor Kuarsingh

Nomcom. Chair 2019 - 2020

 

 

 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019, 6:16 PM Loa Andersson <loa@xxxxx> wrote:

Russ,

I thought so too,

ARM Limited, Altmode Networks, Oracle and Futurewei are not
Ericsson.

/Loa

On 2019-07-07 17:58, Russ Housley wrote:
> Victor:
>
> Please check your results.  I ran the random seeds, and I get the same set of numbers, but I do not think that Borje Ohlman should have been dropped.  Borje is the second person associated with Ericsson, not the third.
>
> Russ
>
>
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 11:09 AM, NomCom Chair 2019 <nomcom-chair-2019@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> I am announcing the results of the randomness selection process for the 2019-2020 NomCom.  The results are as shown below.  Three people were disqualified due to company weighting per RFC 7437 which we are limiting to two (2) members from any one primary affiliation.
>>
>> #    First/Last Name   -  Affiliation  -  Selection Order
>> —————————————————————————————
>> 57. Hannes Tschofenig - ARM Limited -  1
>> 163. Wassim Haddad  -  Ericsson - 2
>> 74. Jim Fenton  - Altmode Networks - 3
>> 45. Eric McMurry - Oracle - 4
>> 42. Donald Eastlake - Futurewei Technologies  - 5
>> 85. Lars Eggert - Netapp  - 7
>> 12. Bernie Hoeneisen  - Ucom.ch / pEp - 8
>> 92. Linda Dunbar  - Futurewei Technologies - 10
>> 75. Job Snijders - NTT - 11
>> 97. Marie-Jose Montpetit - Triangle Video - 12
>>
>> Disqualified selections are noted below:
>>
>> 17. Borje Ohlman - Ericsson (Maximum Number of 2 for Ericsson reached) - 6th in randomness order
>> 29. Daniel Migault - Ericsson (Maximum Number of 2 for Ericsson reached) - 9th in randomness order
>> 14. Bing (Remy) Liu - Huawei (Maximum Number of 2 for Futurewei or Huawei reached) - 12th in randomness order
>>
>> With this announcement, a one week challenge period starts wherein the community may challenge the results to the NomCom Chair (in writing, email is fine).  See RFC 7437, Section 4.17 for details.
>>
>> I will be contacting the selected volunteers to ensure they remain willing and available to serve.
>>
>> Random selection data used:
>>
>> EuroMillions Lottery Results
>> https://www.euro-millions.com/results
>> Friday, July 5, 2019
>> Results: https://www.euro-millions.com/results/05-07-2019
>>
>> Results: 2 9 20 34 42 6 9
>>
>> MLB Major League Basement (“Score, Hits and  Errors"), Result of the Orioles vs. Blue Jays game scheduled for Friday, July 5, 2019 at 7:07 PM
>> https://www...mlb.com/gameday/orioles-vs-blue-jays/2019/07/05/566909#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=566909
>>
>> Results:   4 6 0 1 4 1
>>
>> Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation Lotto 649
>> Saturday, July 6, 2019 Results:
>> https://lottery.olg.ca/en-ca/winning-numbers/lotto-649/winning-numbers?startDate=2019-07-05&endDate=2019-07-07
>> (7 Numbers including the bonus ball: 6 numbers between 1 and 49 and one bonus ball between 1 and 49)
>>
>> Results: 10 28 38 39 40 43 45
>>
>> Powerball Lottery Results
>> http://www.powerball.com/games/powerball
>> Saturday, July 6, 2019
>>
>> Results: 04 08 23 46 65 01
>>
>> Victor Kuarsingh
>> victor at jvknet dot com
>> nomcom-chair-2019 at ietf dot org
>>
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