--On Thursday, May 9, 2019 17:17 -0500 Adam Roach <adam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 5/9/19 5:14 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >> Fine plan, except that it would deceive the reader >> about the state of the (new) specification and would violate >> our long-standing rule against publishing standards-track >> specifications that contain known technical defects. > > > That's why section 3.3 is, in my opinion, critical. Maybe not > in its current formulation, but (IMHO) something along those > lines is necessary to make this work even a little bit. Agreed. But, if that section is the solution, it almost certainly needs work. In particular, there is the well-known tendency of people to glance through RFCs (and other technical specs) looking for answers rather than reading them carefully from beginning to end (especially likely if the current document replaces, and largely duplicate, a previous RFC on the same subject). Given that, and regardless of what the Introduction and/or Appendices say, the sections that are known to be problematic should probably have individual, in-line, text that calls out the problem and/or indicates (by reference if needed) why they should not be taken seriously as written. Leaving the reader with "Some [unspecified] portions of the text have not been updated and do not meet current best practices for documents published by the IETF", even if combined with detailing each specific technique... that would not generally be acceptable", just does not come up to the standard I think we hope for in IETF technical specification RFCs. john