--On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 22:04 -0500 Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@xxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 08:38:44AM +1200, Brian E Carpenter > wrote: >> It would certainly be ironic if a proposal to alleviate some >> of the disadvantages of remote participation couldn't be be >> discussed by remote participants in multiple time zones. >> >> With all due respect, etc. etc., I've always understood that >> discussion by email was intended to alleviate exactly that >> problem, and this list *is* the IETF plenary. So exactly who >> has been disenfranchised from this discussion who would be >> enfranchised by a physical or virtual BOF? > > Taking this question at face value: technically, "no one", > since membership in the list is open modulo posting actions or > SAA actions (I think there may be one or two of the latter > still active, hence scare quotes). But in practice, I hear > from the grapevine that many people are unwilling to subscribe > to or participate in discussions solely on this list, because > the volume of traffic is large and the perceived signal/noise > ratio insufficient to merit the time commitment. > > Having a dedicated discussion forum other than this one is > both in keeping with the list charter and would provide a > lower barrier to participation from those who have stayed away > from the general discussion list but do care about remote > participation. It is fair to debate the cardinality of that > set, if you have a different perception than me, of course. Ben, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you have just made an argument for either a dedicated mailing list or, as Spencer suggested, using something like the ietf-nomcom (more like co-opting, because this really isn't about the nomcom) list and no argument at all for a BOF. john