small (but important) distinction: let me re-write one of the
sentences here (I do not want to be mistaken). When I wrote:
On 3/30/19 12:15 PM, Dr. Pala wrote:
Hi Ross,
I understand your point of view and - on the surface, at least
- it might appear like I am advocating for the same behavior
that we are trying to prevent. I actually think that if you dig
a little deeper, the two are very different. I am sorry about
the fact that this may have come across very strong and lacking
compassion - that was not my intention. I tend to be very strict
when it comes to unjust behavior, and the fact that I do really
care about this topic does not justify me being too harsh or
suggest policies/solutions.
One very important aspect I would like to further explain is
that in my message, in any way, I wanted to imply that people
that have experienced this issue, should come forward if they do
not feel like doing it (for absolutely ANY reason) - It is
extremely difficult (and requires a lot of courage) to speak
out. The first priority, I think, as a community, is to provide
compassion and support to help the individuals to handle the
situation. And maybe there could be means to allow who reports
anything to be involved and have their saying about how to
handle the situation - it could be that no official action is
requested, but at least we might understand (in an anonymous
form even) how widespread this issue is.
I do not have the answers - it is a very complex problem.
However, as a Community I think we need to continue to work on
this and strive for a safer and happier environment. We try and
we might succeed or we might fail... and if the latter happens,
we just look at why we failed, where we can improve, how we can
provide a better support network - until we finally eradicate
this fowl behavior. And if we fail again, we work together to
improve again.
After all, if this is still going on, maybe we shall think
about new ways to address this issue.
In my opinion, there is also the possibility for an even harder
target. Although, I understand that we might not change the
world in a day, but we could provide a model that could be
brought back home to our companies and our communities around
the world. We might not solve this problem around the world, but
if we do not even try... what does it say about us ?
I thank everybody who replied and I hope this discussion
inspired deep introspection in each and every one of us:
awareness is not a solution, but, I think, a good start. Many
good points have been raised, and I hope that the conversation
will continue.
I would be happy to further explore solutions with the
ombusteam (https://www.ietf.org/contact/ombudsteam/)
- if there is an interest to continue the conversation in a more
appropriate venue (now that, I think, we raised a bit the level
of awareness in our great Community).
Cheers,
Max
On 3/30/19 1:43 AM, Ross Finlayson
wrote:
On the subject of “harassment” - I hope I’m not the only person who sees some irony here:
And if you are one the people that think this community will tolerate your behavior maybe because you are a well-known figure in the Industry, be sure of one thing: I will fight to make sure that (a) your behavior is publicly exposed, and (b) you get shamed and BANNED from IETF. The behavior, I think, should also be reported to the HR department of the organization that sent that individual for further actions.
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Best Regards,
Massimiliano
Pala, Ph.D.
OpenCA Labs Director
