Re: voting rights in general

Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> · Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:22:34 -0400



    On 3/25/19 5:13 PM, Stan Kalisch wrote:

    
      On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, at 5:00 PM,
        Keith Moore wrote:

      
        Different people have different
          ideas about what "unpleasant" means.

        
      They do, but what is significant
        is the common, shared subset of those ideas within a community.
         That subset alone can significantly determine who is part of a
        community, and who is not.

      
    Agreed.  However, some people are accustomed to environments in
      which criticism of one's technical ideas is interpreted as
      personal criticism by the one expressing such ideas and/or by
      others.   In my opinion, such expectations create a dysfunctional
      environment in which the ability to do good engineering is
      seriously impaired.   I hope IETF doesn't go that way, because I
      it could make IETF irrelevant.   But, sadly, I've seen many signs
      of this tendency within IETF.

      
      (Of course, if criticism of technical ideas is deemed acceptable
      by a community, an unpleasant person can use such criticism as a
      proxy for criticism of an individual... which is unfortunate.  But
      if the ideas are good, hopefully there will be people to lend
      support to them.)
    That said, I readily admit that as IETF attempts to be hospitable
      to a more diverse set of people (which is what we need to be
      doing), it may paradoxically require us to be less diverse in what
      we as a community consider acceptable behavior.
    Keith