People signing a recall petition are not making judgements. Those judgements are made by the recall committee. The recall petition simply requests that a situation is looked into. Let's take an extreme case. Suppose an AD made a decision that was hugely detrimental to remote participants while favouring people who attend meetings in person. This would only be something subject to a recall petition if the beneficiaries of the decision decided to issue the recall petition. This detail disenfranchises the increasing number of remote participants. Now, we all know that such situations are unlikely. We also know that we haven't seen a lot of recall petitions let alone actual recalls. But that is not the point. There are two key points to these rules: - To be able to handle extreme and exceptional conditions correctly - To present a face that is open, welcoming, and fair We fail the second of these, and the first looks shaky. The rule was written before registering for remote participation was a thing. It's an easy fix. Allow petitions to be signed by people who have registered or attended. Change no other parts of the rules. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter Sent: 21 March 2019 03:48 To: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Recall process On 21-Mar-19 15:21, S Moonesamy wrote: > Hi Scott, > At 04:53 PM 20-03-2019, Scott O. Bradner wrote: >> are you referring to the people who could qualify for the noncom and >> those who could not? >> >> just trying to be sure what you are referring to > > I was referring to the rule in Section 7 of RFC 7437 which sets the > requirements for qualified signatories. I was not referring to the > nomcom process. Yes, I believe it intentionally creates two classes of participants - those with, or without, reasonable personal knowledge of the individual concerned and the situation that has arisen. As I attend fewer meetings than in the past, I certainly find it harder to make judgments about tricky situations. So I find the rule reasonable. Brian
