Yeah, I don't remember it either, although I vaguely remember someone suggesting that I read it during the period after I started ADing, when it was one of many documents to read. Sigh. It seems like the fact that ADs don't read this when they start is symptomatic of some of the problems it describes—those who are unaware of history are doomed to repeat it, etc. :]
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:37:39AM -0400, Ted Lemon wrote:
> This is a great document, Spencer. I don't remember it being on the
> reading list for ADs when I joined the IESG. Is it now?
I don't remmber reading RFC 3774 during my onboarding. This could be a
result of all the stuff I've read since pushing it out of my memory, me not
getting to that part of the onboarding checklist, it not being present on
the onboarding checklist, or something else...
-Ben
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
> spencerdawkins.ietf@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Melinda,
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:43 AM Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > What I'm not okay with is charging down this path, including
> >> investigations, etc., when there's a universe of other ways to
> >> address the problem that aren't being discussed. I'm not sure
> >> I've even seen a clear statement of "the problem."
> >>
> >
> > I've actually been pointing people to https://tools.ietf.org/
> > html/rfc3774#section-2 in discussions recently, and
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3774#section-2.6.2 seems especially
> > relevant to this thread.
> >
> > If one needed a description of "the problem", that would be a useful place
> > to start. I'd assert that we have made changes in response to some of the
> > problems included in that document ("Three Stage Standards Hierarchy not
> > properly Utilized" is now a two-stage standards hierarchy, for better or
> > worse), but a lot of the problems identified fifteen years ago sound really
> > familiar to me now.
> >
> > (Full disclosure - Melinda was one of the co-chairs of the working group
> > that produced this document, and I was ACKed in https://tools.ietf.org/
> > html/rfc3774#section-4)
> >
> > Spencer
> >
