Gonzalo,
The full text of the agenda as posted on the IETF 102 agenda page is:
Time: Monday - 8:10-19:40
Place: Laurier
10min administrivia - chairs
15min questions - chairs
50min discussion - all
10min wrap-up - chairs
Can you please point out the "items for discussion"?
/Loa
On 2018-07-16 16:34, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
Hi Loa,
the agenda and the material contain both the items for discussion and
the time allocated to them. We have discussed with a lot of people (who
had different opinions) in order to figure out what would be the most
useful questions to ask. At this point, we believe that these (very
general) questions are the best we have in order to explore the problem
space. If we had more concrete questions that would not be too biased,
we would have used them.
With respect to documents to be read beforehand, the BoF description is
publicly available (as for any other BoF) and it contains a list of RFCs
for background reading. We chose not to include John's draft in the
agenda because it was posted quite late and because it explores (on
purpose) the solution space (as opposed to the problem space).
https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/
As you for sure understand, this is a very controversial topic. So, we
do not think we should have the room discuss more-concrete solutions or
proposals before discussing the actual (or perceived) problem.
Cheers,
Gonzalo
On 16/07/2018 4:09 PM, Loa Andersson wrote:
I'm still not happy with the posted agenda. In RFC 2418 the guidelines
got WG agendas says:
"For coordinated, structured WG interactions, the Chair(s) MUST
publish a draft agenda well in advance of the actual session. The
agenda should contain at least:
- The items for discussion;
- The estimated time necessary per item; and
- A clear indication of what documents the participants will need to
read before the session in order to be well prepared."
Earlier we have held to this standards when setting up BOFs. Do you
really think the the posted agenda meets the what is indicated above?
/Loa
On 2018-07-16 15:09, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
Hi Loa,
the chair slides are available at (in her email, Heather also sent links
to the mailing list archives and to the original BoF proposal):
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-rfcplusplus-slides-00
You can find the questions there. As you can see, they are a few very
generic questions intended to explore the problem space because, so far,
the discussions on the mailing list have not converged at all. We have
not seen any consensus so far around whether or not there is a problem
and, if so, whether or not it is a problem worth solving.
There have been discussions about the solution space as well, but we
believe we need to discuss the problem space a bit better before jumping
into designing and discussing concrete solutions.
Cheers,
Gonzalo
On 16/07/2018 1:57 PM, Loa Andersson wrote:
Folks,
With an agenda like this
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/agenda-102-rfcplusplus-00
How am I supposed to prepared the the bof?
/Loa
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