On 21/03/18 20:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > I'm not sure if you have been in the plenary, No I have not. Despite the fact that I have a draft which I would like to move and IETF is only 70 miles from where I am this time, I simply could not find the time for this one. I will see if I can spare some time for the next. > but I guess you missed my point. No I have not. Anything else aside with the exception of several resort destinations most 2000K arrivals in a day will skew the prices to a point where it will be quite painful for a lot of us. We are at the mercy of dynamic pricing in airline tickets. So chosing an "out of the way" destination means prices in the 2000+ range for most of us. This is just for airline tickets. Do not understand me wrong - I do not mind an IETF at Cabo Verde (one of the few places besides South Africa which is "safe" and where we can probably find a primary hotel big enough for our needs). I do not mind it in the slightest. I just do not see how I can justify it and it will end up like an IETF on Hawaii - beach IETF. This is besides the massive logistical issue with getting there. If we insist on places where we have not been before, the "stable" part of the Middle East - Emirates and Oman are actually better than Africa for most of us - same distance for our American colleagues, closer for Asia, closer for Europe a gazillion of flights to the region so no cost skew. Both of them are reasonably stable too. A. > > I go for work as well *only*, never do tourism in any IETF, try to go just for the meeting days, not extra days, and pay from my personal pocket. > > What for some is easy to reach, is not so easy for others, and that's the reason we balance the regions, and as we get more contributors from other regions, and has been said in the plenary today, we need to go to places where we can increase the chances for new local contributors and share the cost in an inclusive way. > > We also need to share how many hours some of us fly in some trips, so the average is inclusive as well. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> en nombre de Anton Ivanov <anton.ivanov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Fecha: miércoles, 21 de marzo de 2018, 20:38 > Para: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Asunto: Re: meeting in other places > > Some of us go to IETF for work, not tourism. > > We should have it in a place where: > 1. We can get the work done > 2. We can all get to easily > > Even if it is boring. > > I hate to disappoint you but there is no such place in Africa at > present. This is an extra 7h long haul for most of us. At least. More if > it is South Africa. > > That was the case with Buenos Aires too by the way. Not everyone has > 2000k airline ticket budget for a round-the world trip and spare 2 days > just for travel. > > So the only remaining reason is tourism. That will be a No then. > > A. > > On 21/03/18 20:29, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > A few years ago, I suggested in the open mike, in several consecutive meetings, that we should go to Africa and Latin America. > > > > I was almost killed because that. > > > > Then, we went to Buenos Aires and nobody had any issue compared with the regular issues that happen in other locations (cookies, pick-pockets, and so .... choose your preferred one). > > > > I didn't get yet a meeting in Africa. Is time for it! > > > > Of course, if venues can accommodate us. I know very well how difficult is to find a venue for our group. I'm not trying to break those rules, but the region rotation need to start changing and allowing that. > > > > Considering the actual conversation in the plenary, I think is time to seriously consider *urgently* to return to Latin America and look for locations in Africa, more locations in Asia Pacific, and so on. > > > > Also, I think it is clear that if we really want to share expenses, thinks said today need to be considered: > > 1) Ideally, the registration fee should be reduced or made almost free. We need to find better funding, or even study with ISOC if there are able to increase our funding towards that. > > 2) Remote participants should share part of the cost. > > 3) Local participants don't have (same) traveling expenses, so they should also cover some extra cost. > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > IPv4 is over > > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > > http://www.consulintel.es > > The IPv6 Company > > > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. 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