Let me add one thing to Brian's (very helpful and accurate, IMO) comments and an additional thought along the same lines... --On Thursday, February 8, 2018 13:56 +1300 Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... >> Does the IETF allows individual draft submissions but in fact >> they do not belong to the IETF work? > > Short answer: Yes. > > Long answer: Almost every RFC starts as an individual draft. > If the draft arouses interest, it may be discussed in a BOF or > a WG. If it arouses a lot of interest, it may be formally > adopted by a WG. If it progresses well, it may be agreed by > the WG (following a WG Last Call). If OK with the Area > Director, it may be sent for IETF Last Call. If it passes Last > Call, it will be submitted to the IESG. If agreed by the IEAG, > it will be sent to the RFC Editor for publication. > > This process can easily take two years. At every "if", the > draft may fail. I don't know the statistics; probably they > could be extracted from the data tracker, but my estimate is > that at most 33% of individual drafts end up as RFCs. In the hope of avoiding additional frustrated questions, I would guess that, if those statistics were actually pulled out, they would also show that people who had already successfully gotten work adopted and/or edited documents that became RFCs do somewhat better in those statistics than those who have had neither experience. Some of that difference is a form of incumbent advantage -- people are somewhat more likely to read at least the title and abstract of a document from someone whose work they know -- but I'd guess that more of it is that those authors have a somewhat better sense (relative to newcomers) of what sort of ideas are likely to get traction of suggested and how to present them. Put differently (and I think this has been said to you before), while there is no requirement for what y0u might think of as an apprenticeship in the IETF, those people who come to the IETF, try to understand what others are doing and where interests lie, participate actively in one or more working groups that align with their expertise, and only then start pushing their own innovations and ideas usually have a much easier time when that time comes. It may well be that people have shown up without prior involvement, experience, and visibility in the IETF; submitted Internet Drafts containing innovative and radical ideas; and have those drafts evolve into Internet standards, but it has certainly not been common, at least in recent years. In spite of that, the comments of the last 36 hours or so indicate to me that a number of skilled people are examining your proposals. That is _much_ better than my guess at the average for unsolicited ideas from people whose work is not already known to active IETF participants. While I agree with some of the reasoning in those notes and not others (because those are not areas in which I'm actively working, my technical opinion may not be worth much), the consensus seems to be that your ideas, as posted so far, are just not practical. While different people have focused on assumptions that you have made they don't believe are correct, conclusions about the problems that need to be solved that differ from their experience, specific technical problems, operational or economic issues, or something else, the conclusion is the same: unless considerably modified in both substance and explanation, those documents and ideas are not going anywhere in the IETF (or probably anywhere else). I hope your next proposal does a lot better. best, john those ideas