--On Friday, November 10, 2017 11:48 +1300 Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Do any libraries actually keep paper newsletters any more? > > Very few. I'm not sure it will turn out to be such a good > decision 100 years from now - historians often use ephemera of > this kind - but that's the way things are going. > > Now that SM has set me straight, I am not suggesting any action > at all. With apologies for the lateness of this comment, but prompted by both your comment above and Phillip's more recent one, I am. I suggest that ISOC consider the function of the IETF Journal and do so in the light of the plenary session of Internet history of a few years ago. I note that it is called "IETF Journal" and not "IETF Random and Transient Musings". If the content is of any value, even as a snapshot of thinking about the IETF by people that ISOC and whomever is advising it consider interesting and/or important, then I think ISOC needs to assume some explicit responsibility for preservation. That does not need to be paper but, in addition to the considerations Phillip mentions, I think we need to be concerned about bit rot and issues of, not only difficulties recovering bits from media but easily interpreting the bits once received. One advantage of paper (and stone tablets, etc.) over modern digital forms is that we a few thousand years of demonstrated and successful experience with preservation. I wish I were optimistic that today's HTML or PDF, with bits distributed around the network, would be as reliably accessed even a few hundred years in the future, but I'll bet a single-density 5.25 inch floppy disk that no one can successfully prove it will be. Or ISOC (and the IETF) could conclude that the IETF Journal is really a newsletter of no lasting value. However, if that is the conclusion, I wonder whether even more money and other resources could be saved and put to better use by discontinuing it entirely john .