On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 02:44:27PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > somehow application layer developers don't think in terms of protocols, they > keep coming back to client-server models & software-oriented APIs, rather > than protocols Given that an _awfully_ large number of interconnections through what I think of as protocols are effectively just APIs (usually using https underneath), it seems that the "somehow" here is more that we protocol nerds haven't figured out how to make our ways of making things work attractive or even acceptable to application layer developers. Sounds to me like this is our problem, not theirs, and that we better figure out a way to make it work. I'm not sure the current proposal _is_ that way, but it's certainly _a_ way. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx