On Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 12:11:49AM +0300, Yoav Nir wrote: > There is not going to be data. There are going to be the results of a > web questionnaire filled out by a self-selected sample. When an IETF participant is turned away at some border, or has their devices inspected, or is presented with demands for their passwords, they should inform the IETF so that the IETF can count such incidents. I suppose a participant could be told not to tell, but it's very difficult to ignore absence. At the very least it should be possible to count entry denial events. I do suspect that the U.S. will be a more difficult location for more attendees than other locations. Certainly the news we all see is not encouraging as to hosting IETF meetings in the U.S. This I don't deny. Though it's also possible that this is becoming a self-reinforcing meme and that we're just not seeing incidents in other countries in the news. In any case, the U.S. certainly does not have a monopoly on the border harasment business. Some people may wish to boycott the U.S. by refusing to host events there. There is some precedent for such a boycott. For example, some time back an obscure agency of the Texas state government decided to guard its surplus budget by policing public drunkenness at hotel bars, which led to a number of conferences pulling out of Texas, and the ensuing bad PR led the legislature to rein in said agency. However, at the scale of a state/province the politics of boycotts is generally not partisan, but at a national/global scale it tends to be rankly partisan, and boycotts may not be productive and may be divisive, and should be approached with care. Here "care" means: get some evidence of negative impact on participation. Reducing frequency of U.S. meetings is not a boycott, and is something the IETF has been doing for a long time anyways. Further reducing that frequency in the short term would be perfectly fine, though it would also reduce opportunities for gather the stats we really need to make a sound, non-partisan decision to boycott if the stats warrant it. Nico --