John, > On 2 Feb 2017, at 17:18, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > Tim, > > Apologies for singling out your note as an example. It isn't > the only one. > > --On Thursday, February 2, 2017 15:58 +0000 Tim Chown > <tjc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> On 2 Feb 2017, at 15:39, Randal Atkinson > <rja.lists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> Most airlines, including all or nearly all major full-service >>> international airlines, start selling tickets at least 12 >>> months before the departure date for the 1st flight on an >>> itinerary. >> ... > >> I just tried availability for flights from London to San >> Francisco for July 2018 IETF. None of BA, Virgin or United >> would offer tickets beyond January 2018. Perhaps it's >> different for internal flights within the US? > > I may be suffering from an arithmetic failure, but according to > my calendar, January 2018 is 12 months out and anything past the > first week of February 2018, such as July 2018, is significantly > more than 12 months out. You’ve selectively quoted Ran above. If you re-read his original email, you’ll see that he said was that people *are* able to buy flights to San Francisco now, indeed that he knows people who have. The bit you have included above claims most airlines sell tickets *at least* 12 months in advance. I was simply providing a data point contrary to that, i.e. I’m not able to source a ticket to SanFrancisco for July 2018 now, because the airlines I’d likely look to first don’t see more than 11-12 months in advance. > I know that passions run high on this set of issues, but can we > all please try to read each other's comments carefully enough to > avoid confusing the discussions by (I presume accidentally) > creating straw men and then attacking them? I’m confused by your email John; all I was doing is giving a counter point to Ran’s observation that people already have tickets to fly in July 2018, but also that I agree that extending the IETF’s ability to better support remote participation is now even more important. Ran has since responded to both points politely and constructively. Somewhat puzzled, Tim > > best, > john > >