Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

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Jordi,

I've never heard any indication that the extremely minimal companion stuff (a mailing list and one gathering that the companions pay for) has factored into the IAOC venue-selection.

It's always easy to give up - in the abstract - things that don't affect you.

In this particular instance, the concern is about keeping legal guardianship & medical concerns in a
country whose laws may not recognize familial ties legal in other countries.   There can certainly be personal 
reasons why bringing a child along is necessary - and they don't require others' judgement as to whether those
reasons are "deserving" enough.

Regards,
Alia

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:04 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
+1  to drop companion stuff IF it is increasing the IAOC venue-selection criteria difficulties, and I want to make it clear, even if it affects me personally at any time.

Even if is only for simple curiosity (I don’t think our decisions must consider other organizations decisions, but is always good to know), it will be nice to know if venue-selection-criteria of other similar organizations take in consideration possible “difficulties” for companion/familties.

Regards,
Jordi


-----Mensaje original-----
De: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> en nombre de Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@xxxxxxxxx>
Responder a: <ynir.ietf@xxxxxxxxx>
Fecha: martes, 24 de mayo de 2016, 20:52
Para: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx>
CC: <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Asunto: Re: [Recentattendees] IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input

>
>> On 24 May 2016, at 9:28 PM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/24/16 10:14 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
>>> Then I guess where I disagree with both you and Melinda is that I don’t
>>> think the ability to bring families along should be an important
>>> consideration.
>>
>> I don't, either, but as long as the IETF does, and provides
>> a companion program, I feel quite strongly that IETF travel
>> should be equally accessible to all families.  I'd personally
>> be good with dropping the companion stuff UNLESS it was done
>> specifically to avoid problems with travel to places hostile
>> to same-sex partners.
>
>I would be happy with dropping the companion stuff for many reasons. The fact that it adds considerations and criteria to the IAOC’s decision process that already has way too many criteria is just another reason to drop it.
>
>Yoav
>
>





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