Re: spam on old lists - was [89attendees] Fw: new important message

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I’ve cleaned up bad customer records at several DNS-BL last july, and it worked.

I’m not sure to catch your question about the cost: I think the cost of thousands of IETF subscribers time to get SPAM from IETF exploders is much higher that the cost of using DNS-BL to reject posters that have been black listed.

Saludos,
Jordi









-----Mensaje original-----
De: John Leslie <john@xxxxxxx>
Responder a: <john@xxxxxxx>
Fecha: viernes, 15 de abril de 2016, 20:56
Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: IETF discussion list <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Asunto: Re: spam on old lists - was [89attendees] Fw: new important message

>JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> A few years ago,
>
>   Thank you for stipulating "a few years ago". Spammers have learned
>a lot in the last few years.
>
>> I???ve managed to get a customer out of spamhaus, despite having sent
>> a SPAM because a bot, etc.
>
>   In this case, there is _no_ evidence of a bot among my users.
>
>> I was able to find all the info about how to proceed in their web
>> site, apply to clean, etc.
>
>   When is the last time you tried?
>
>   Spamhaus has become more paranoid; and several features of their
>website aren't functioning well right now. (Not to mention their preference
>for users blindly enabling all javascript...)
>
>> Same with other similar DNS-BLs
>
>   Actually spamhaus has a better-than-average reputation. It is _not_
>the "same" with the average DNSBLs.
>
>> I think if you???re ???clean??? you should have not problem,
>
>   "clean" by whose definition?
>
>   Nowadays, it's not even a publicly-available definition!
>
>> and we can choose which DNS-BL to apply.
>
>   I refuse to feed a flame-war here; except to say we _won't_ reach
>a useful rough-consensus without excluding too many contributors (and
>probably won't reach rough-consensus at all).
>
>> If we have from the community negative reports about bad-behaviours
>> from any of those DNS-BLs for example.
>
>   Again, how much are you contributing to the costs of what you ask?
>
>--
>John Leslie <john@xxxxxxx>
>






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