An internet where to survive on you need an third party anti-ddos service is pretty fundamentally wrong. As much as I love cloudfare, the fact that we need it is something we inside and outside the ietf, should address with haste. Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 16, 2016, at 03:32, Eliot Lear <lear@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> On 3/16/16 8:06 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> it is not ours to say what others should and should not read, or to >> which they should have easier access. to do so is called censorship. > > Nobody's prohibiting access to any of our public documents. And as > someone pointed out elsewhere, if one wants to copy every last bit of > IETF documentation, they are able to do so and provide whatever access > they wish. To my knowledge nobody else has raised the concern that that > the Tor people are raising, and so we are being asked to specifically > support Tor. Fine. That means we then need to consider the > benefit/harm of our actions regarding who precisely we are helping. I > asked that question honestly without an answer, but with concerns. > > Eliot > >