--On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 19:13 -0500 "Scott O. Bradner" <sob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > thanks - the suggested language is helpful Thanks. Glad it helped. Suggestion to the IAOC: I think it would be extremely helpful if you went through the rest of this document and all of your other significant procedural documents and cleaned up language that appears necessary only if your goal is to impress amateur lawyers (or perhaps real ones of some decades ago) with your ability to sound formal. >From my point of view, BCP 101 creates as strong an obligation on you to act transparently and explain clearly to the community what you are doing as it does to take the required actions. Language that obfuscates rather than clarifying does not meet that requirement. For the record, despite Scott's accepting responsibility, I don't think he is the problem: in the more than 40 years we've known, and often worked with, each other, I've never observed his writing that way on his own. Even if he did, this document was presented to the community as "from the IAOC", not "from Scott" and that means all of you had an obligation to review sufficiently, or make sure the reviews are dong sufficiently, to share responsibility (I note that is the same obligation we assume of WGs submitting documents for community review and the IESG and IAB when they do so). If reviewing and upgrading these sorts of documents (and meeting a number of other commitments to the community, such as posting contracts (redacted if needed)) is impossible then, especially for those who were appointed specifically to serve on the IAOC and as Trustees, I think the community should hear about your priorities or, if you are all working long hours on the IAOC but unable to do everything BCP 101 and the community are calling for, that you tell us and, ideally, propose a reorganization that would allow the work to get done better. best, john