John, and IAOC, On 21/01/2016 07:17, John C Klensin wrote: > Other than some concerns about how long it took you and the IAOC > to post this after 7691 was approved I'm not concerned about that; it only needs to be done before IETF 95. ... > As part of that confusion, if my vague and faulty memory is > correct, part of the debate leading up to 7691 was about whether > the IAOC could decide to have outgoing members participate in > the selection meeting and, if so, whether one of them could > chair it. I think the decision was to leave such details to the > IAOC's discretion and good sense, but with the understanding > that the details would be documented. This draft does not > appear to satisfy that need -- the questions appear to still be > open. I see this in the new text: "In furtherance of this requirement the date and time of the terms of individual regular IAOC members begin or end at the start of the IAOC meeting held during the first IETF..." I would find this a bit clearer if it said: "In furtherance of this requirement the date and time of the terms of new individual regular IAOC members begin at the start of the IAOC meeting held during the first IETF... and the terms of outgoing individual regular IAOC members end at the start of that meeting." That being so, it is clear (to me) that the temporary chair cannot be an outgoing member. And yes, it might be helpful to add a sentence stating that outgoing members may remain present and may speak during the meeting, although that really doesn't seem like it needs spelling out. While I'm here: "...the IAOC elects a chair by a majority vote via a secret ballot." A secret ballot? Really? In such a small committee? Most times, there'll only be one willing candidate anyway, so the ballot can be waived. Brian